EXCHANGE WITH SSPX FOLLOWER, Part 12 The SSPX Demands to Rome

The Pope's Cathedra in the Basilica of St. John Lateran in Rome

Anonymous said...

first let me remind you Dude, the sspx merely wants,does every true catholic, the vatican to admit the truth
theat tridintine Mass has never been forbiden and all priest are free to celebrate it with out a special indult from the bishops
in simillar vein, the sspx is not asking the vatican to "lift"excommunications since SSPX does not recognize any such excommunication exist
again SSPX only wants Rome to admit the truth of the situation and declare then excommunication null. and so it does.
other important point which would be an absolute condition of the SSPX for regularization .by recognizing the right to criticize the certain aspescts of Vatican II
, especially it's teaching on religious liberty. one Vatican Cardinal said he doubted the Holy See could accept the conditions posed by the society for returning.

especially a rigth to disagreement with elements of Vatican II. hthat would have very serious implications for the Unity of the church. he said the unnamed prelate further stated he believes the Pope understands this very well and thus would be cautious about moving forward. the Pope B XVI, has not been cautious
about moving forward the post concilliar revolution.

a brief review of some of the most poignant moments: B XVI issued a pathetic document on Seminary formation that for the first time in church history, said that
those who engage in homosexual activity should be "profoundly respected". the document allows a homosexual to become a priest provided he has been celibate for three years. this led a number of Novus Ordo Catholics to regard B XVI as even more liberal than John XXIII who in a1961 document banned homosexuals
from the priesthood because of their evil tendencies. and of course you are already the product of the modern times, an "IDIOTCATOR" hehehe...
more examples could be given but i think the point is made...

by the way, pls. response in a more logical manner rather than your PIGGY FREAK reasoning for you don't still hit the points. and minimize your space by not laughing on your face all the time. whatever you do your still no match with the SSPX Priests. hehehe...nail that on your head Dude.hehehe....

Kyrie eleison.

October 2, 2010 6:03 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[first let me remind you Dude,]

HEY DUDE. YOU SOUND LIKE THE BEETLES DUDE... HA, HA, HA...

[the sspx merely wants,does every true catholic,]

YOU ARE FAKE CATHOLICS. STOP DREAMING.

[the vatican to admit the truth theat tridintine Mass has never been forbiden]

WHETHER IT WAS FORBIDDEN OR NOT IS NOT AN ISSUE. THE POWER OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST AS THE BEARER OF THE KEY IS TO OPEN AND SHUT, TO ALLOW AND NOT TO ALLOW, TO CLOSE AND TO OPEN. DEFINITELY, ONLY FOOLS WILL CLAIM THAT THE POPE HAS NO POWER TO TELL THE FLOCK TO REFRAIN FROM CELEBRATING CERTAIN RITE AND TO IMPLEMENT ANOTHER EQUALLY VALID RITE.

THIS POWER OF THE POPE IS GIVEN BY THE LORD JESUS PERSONALLY AND SPECIFICALLY. BUT I NEVER HEARD OR READ THE LORD JESUS SPEAKING ABOUT THE PERPETUAL CELEBRATION OF THE 'LATIN' 'TRIDENTINE MASS'. NEVER EVER.

THERE IS THE MASS... THE HOLY EUCHARIST. BUT NO PARTICULAR RITE WAS HANDED AS THE SUPERLATIVE RITE. THAT HERESY IS INVENTED BY LEFEBVRE AND THE LEFEBRISTS LIKE YOU.

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THE TLM WAS NOT PROHIBITED TOTALLY BECAUSE THERE WERE PRIESTS AND BISHOPS WHO WERE STILL CELEBRATING IT DESPITE THE RISE OF THE NOVUS ORDO. BUT, IF POPE PAUL VI MADE AN ORDER TO MINIMIZE IT OR EVEN STOP IT FOR A WHILE IN FAVOR OF THE VERNACULAR LITURGY THEN IT IS WITHIN THE POWER OF THE BEARER OF THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

NO POWER ON EARTH CAN OVERRULE THAT BECAUSE IT IS UPHELD IN HEAVEN. DEFINITELY NOT YOUR OLD WACKY FOOL LEFEBVRE AND YOUR SENILE WILLIAMSON. HE, HE, HE...

[and all priest are free to celebrate it with out a special indult from the bishops in simillar vein,]

IF THE POPE ISSUED A REQUIREMENT OF AN INDULT SO BE IT. BUT WHEN HE REMOVED THE INDULT SO IT SHALL BE. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. IN EACH CASE, THE PRIESTS MUST OBEY THE VICAR OF CHRIST NOT ANY WACKY OLD FOOL WHO CLAIMS TO BE MORE AUTHORITATIVE AND MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN THE VICAR OF CHRIST. WE DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL. WE INSTEAD HEAR THE VOICE OF THE REAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GOOD SHEPHERD - THE BISHOP OF ROME.

[the sspx is not asking the vatican to "lift"excommunications since SSPX does not recognize any such excommunication exist]

THEN WE DO NOT RECOGNIZE YOUR EXISTENCE EITHER. THERE ARE ONLY HANDFULS OF LITURGICAL BASTARDS IN THAT SOCIETY SO FEW YET SO NOISY COMMON TO THE DRUNKARDS ON THE STREETS.

[again SSPX only wants Rome to admit the truth of the situation and declare then excommunication null.]

WHO ARE THESE SSPX ANIMALS TO DEMAND SUCH A THING FROM THE NOBLE ROME, THE SEAT OF THE BLESSED APOSTLES PETER AND PAUL - THE CHURCH WATERED BY THE BLOOD OF THE MARTYRS LOYAL TO PETER AND DESTROYER OF HERESIES AND REBELLION FROM LUCIFER TO LEFEBVRE?

[ and so it does.] HA, HA, HA... PRETENTIOUS AND HALLUCINATORY. YOU ARE FREE TO WALLOW AND PLAY WITH THE HYDRAS IN YOUR DREAMS. [other important point which would be an absolute condition of the SSPX for regularization.by recognizing the right to criticize the certain aspescts of Vatican II]

HA, HA, HA... WHAT A VERY FOOLISH CONDITION. EVERY HUMAN PERSON IS FREE TO CRITICIZE. IS THERE A NEED TO MAKE AN ABSOLUTE CONDITION FOR THAT? HA, HA, HA... IT IS LIKE PRESENTING AS ABSOLUTE CONDITION THE RECOGNITION OF THE RIGHT TO 'BREATHE'. HA, HA, HA... OR THE RIGHT TO 'EAT'. HA, HA, HA...

[, especially it's teaching on religious liberty.]

YEAH, YOU ARE FREE TO CRITICIZE IT. CRITICIZE IT ON TV AND RADIO. C'MMON. DO A WILLIAMSON. EXPRESS YOUR CRITICISM AND SPEAK AGAINST OTHER RELIGION FREELY. LET ME SEE IF YOU HAVE THE BLOOD FOR IT. HE, HE, HE...

YOU ARE FREE TO CRITICIZE. EVERY BODY CAN CRITICIZE IN A FREE SOCIETY. BUT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CRITICISM AND BE OPEN. THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOUR LEADERS ARE COWARDS. THEY ARE NOT APPEARING ON MAINLINE MEDIA TO DEFEND THEIR POSITIONS. THEY PREFER HIDING LIKE FOXES IN THEIR LAIR AND THEY JUST EXPRESS THEIR ATTACKS ON OUR BACKS. TELL WILLIAMSON TO SHOUT ON A TELIVISED MASS HOW THE OTHER RELIGIONS WILL NOT RECEIVE SALVATION. HA, HA, HA...

[one Vatican Cardinal said he doubted the Holy See could accept the conditions posed by the society for returning.]

I AGREE WITH HIM. WE WILL PETITION THE HOLY FATHER TO REJECT YOUR DEMONIC DEMANDS. YOUR DEMANDS ARE PREPOSTEROUS AND PRETENTIOUS, FOOLISH AND PATHETIC.

[especially a rigth to disagreement with elements of Vatican II.]

IF YOU CANNOT TAKE IT THEN LEAVE. I PREFER THAT THE HOLY FATHER WILL EXCOMMUNICATE EACH ONE OF YOU UNLESS YOU RETURN. WELL, YOU WILL STILL SURVIVE FOR SOME CENTURIES LIKE THE NESTORIANS, DON'T WORRY BUT YOU WILL ALL DIE SEPARATED FROM THE SEE OF PETER.

[hthat would have very serious implications for the Unity of the church.]

THE CHURCH IS ALWAYS UNITED BY ITSELF. AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT WITH US WE DO NOT CONSIDER THE CHURCH DISUNITED. IT REMAINS UNITED AND COMPLETE, THERE ARE ONLY A VERY VERY SMALL BRANCH THAT DIED OUT AND HAS FALLEN AWAY FROM THE TREE.

[he said the unnamed prelate further stated he believes the Pope understands this very well and thus would be cautious about moving forward.]

OF COURSE, THE POPE HAS SEEN THE POISON IN YOUR POSITION.

[the Pope B XVI, has not been cautious about moving forward the post concilliar revolution.]

HA, HA, HA... OF COURSE, IT MEANS THAT HE WILL NOT BE FOOLED AND BE COMPELLED BY TRAITORS LIKE YOU AND THE SSPX. HA, HA, HA...

[a brief review of some of the most poignant moments: B XVI issued a pathetic document on Seminary formation that for the first time in church history, said that those who engage in homosexual activity should be "profoundly respected".]

YOU ARE LYING HERE. WHAT IS THAT DOCUMENT AND IN WHAT PART IS YOUR CLAIM STATED IN THE SAID DOCUMENT? WE MUST BE WEARY OF YOUR QUOTES BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR LIKES ARE CERTIFIED LIARS.

[the document allows a homosexual to become a priest provided he has been celibate for three years. this led a number of Novus Ordo Catholics to regard B XVI as even more liberal than John XXIII who in a1961 document banned homosexuals from the priesthood because of their evil tendencies.]

THE REASON WHY YOU CANNOT NAME THE DOCUMENT AND YOU CANNOT PRESENT A CITATION IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE LYING ABOUT SUCH A DOCUMENT. IT IS BENEDICT XVI WHO IMPOSED SEVERE PENALTY FOR HOMOSEXUALS IN THE SEMINARY.

DON'T BE HYPOCRITE. THERE WERE HOMOSEXUALS IN THE SEMINARIES DURING THE PRE-VATICAN II PERIOD. THEY WERE SIMPLY LUCKY THAT IT WAS NOT YET THE ERA OF MODERN COMMUNICATIONS. NO MEANS TO SPREAD THE NEWS IN A MODE FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF SOUND AND LIGHT.

[and of course you are already the product of the modern times, an "IDIOTCATOR" hehehe...]

HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE SO INTELLIGENT THAT THE READERS OF THIS BLOG HAS FOUND OUT THAT MANY OF WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED HERE ARE WRITINGS OF WILLIAMSON. HA, HA, HA...

WELL, THE PEOPLE ARE READING THE EXCHANGE AND THEY HAVE SEEN THE LOW LEVEL OF YOUR REASONING. YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL NOT ONLY OF YOURSELVES BUT ALSO OF THE ENTIRE SSPX - SOCIETY OF THE POPELESS. HA, HA, HA...

[more examples could be given but i think the point is made...]

YOUR POINTS ARE POINTLESS. YOU'VE FAILED TO JUSTIFY ANY OF YOUR POSITION FROM LATIN TO RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. HA, HA, HA... AFTER YOU ARE DEBUNKED YOU ARE ONLY GETTING ANOTHER MATERIAL TO COPY AND PASTE BUT YOU NEVER COUNTER MY REBUTTALS. HA, HA, HA...

[by the way, pls. response in a more logical manner rather than your PIGGY FREAK reasoning for you don't still hit the points.]

HA, HA, HA... BECAUSE YOUR 'DOGGY FREAK' DOES NOT HAVE ANY POINT AT ALL. HA, HA, HA... YOU ONLY KNOW COPY AND PASTE STYLE FROM THE ARCHIVE OF WILLIAMSON. HA, HA, HA...

[and minimize your space by not laughing on your face all the time.]

HA, HA, HA... BECAUSE I FIND YOU VERY FUNNY AND PITIFUL.

[whatever you do your still no match with the SSPX Priests. hehehe...]

REALLY? TELL THEM TO VISIT HERE WITH FULL IDENTIFICATION. I WANT TO EXCHANGE IDEAS WITH THEM. LET ME TEST HOW GOOD THEY ARE AS YOU CLAIM. WE WILL GREASE THEM ON THEIR OWN DOGGY OIL. HA, HA, HA... LET ME SEE IF THEY WILL HAVE THE COURAGE DEBATING ON THE NET WITH THEIR FULL IDENTITY ON. I THINK THEY WILL HIDE LIKE DOGS AS YOU DO. HA, HA, HA...

[nail that on your head Dude.hehehe....]

REALLY? YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. LEFEBVRE IS ALREADY ROTTING IN HELL WITH ARIUS, NESTORIUS, LUTHER AND THE HERESIARCHS WHO FOLLOWED THE REBELLION OF LUCIFER. IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE THAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING THEIR PATHS.

C'MMON. CONTINUE YOUR REBELLION AGAINST THE ROCK CALLED PETROS. CONTINUE DUDE... HA, HA, HA... SHALL I SAY: "RINGO STAR!"

October 2, 2010 8:35 PM