EXCHANGE WITH SSPX FOLLOWER, Part 13 Lefebvre is No St. Joan of Arc

St. Joan of Arc rallying the people... Copie du Tableau de J.J. SCHERRER (1855-1916)

Anonymous said...

Fr. Abe.

You didn't disprove the person when he asked Joan of Arc died excommunicated. Look at what you said.

[HA, HA, HA... ST. JOAN OF ARC WAS SENTENCED TO DIE DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE WAS PLEADING TO BE HEARD BY THE POPE. SHE REQUESTED TO BE PUT UNDER THE CUSTODY OF THE POPE. HA, HA, HA... AND IT WAS THE POPE WHO LATER FORMED THE COMMISSION THAT FOUND HER INNOCENT AND A VICTIM OF POLITICAL MANIPULATION. HA, HA, HA... IT WAS ALSO THE POPE THAT CANONIZED HER. HA, HA, HA...]

Nevertheless Joan of Arc died excommunicated. She died May 30, 1431 under Nicholas V then 23 years after Pope Callixtus III set a commission to examine her case the pronounce her innocence. Beatified by Pius X in 1909 and canonized by Benedict XV in 1920. Anyone reading your comment would conclude that the rehabilitation, beatification and canonization was done by one and the same pope.

October 3, 2010 5:53 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[You didn't disprove the person when he asked Joan of Arc died excommunicated. Look at what you said.]

YOU HAVE FAILED TO UNDERSTAND MY STATEMENT. ST. JOAN DIED PLEADING TO BE TRIED INSTEAD BY THE POPE. IT MEANS POPE JOAN WAS NOT TRIED, DECIDED UPON, FOUND GUILTY UNDER THE TRIBUNAL FORMED BY THE POPE OR UNDER HIS AUTHORITY. THE POPE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EXCOMMUNICATION OF ST. JOAN OF ARC. AND SHE WAS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT HER TRIAL WAS UNJUST AND AGAINST THE JUSTICE OF THE POPE.

THE WACKY OLD FOOL LEFEVBRE DIRECTLY AND CATEGORICALLY AND WILLFULLY DISOBEYED POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT. A SIN AND A GRAVE ACT NEVER COMMITTED BY ST. JOAN OF ARC.

[Nevertheless Joan of Arc died excommunicated. She died May 30, 1431 under Nicholas V then]

ST. JOAN DIED EXCOMMUNICATED ILLEGALLY. WHAT YOU ARE NOT SAYING IS THAT IT WAS NOT THE POPE WHO EXCOMMUNICATED HER. BUT MERE BISHOPS ACTING AGAINST THE LAW OF THE CHURCH EXACTLY LIKE WHAT LEFEBVRE DID:

"The trial for heresy was politically motivated. The Duke of Bedford claimed the throne of France for his nephew Henry VI. She had been responsible for the rival coronation so to condemn her was an attempt to undermine her king's legitimacy. Legal proceedings commenced on 9 January 1431 at Rouen, the seat of the English occupation government.[39] The procedure was irregular on a number of points.

To summarize some major problems : the jurisdiction of judge Bishop Cauchon was a legal fiction.[40] He owed his appointment to his partisan support of the English government which financed the trial. Clerical notary Nicolas Bailly, commissioned to collect testimony against Joan, could find no adverse evidence.[41] Without such evidence the court lacked grounds to initiate a trial. Opening a trial anyway, the court also violated ecclesiastical law in denying her right to a legal adviser. Upon the opening of the first public examination Joan complained that those present were all partisans against her and asked for "ecclesiastics of the French side" to be invited." [St. Joan of Arc, WIKIPEDIA]

IT IS DECEPTION ON YOUR PART TO EMPLOY THE NAME OF PRE-VATICAN II POPE NICHOLAS V AS A DECOY FOR YOUR LIES.

YOU ARE LYING AND DISTORTING HISTORY THAT IS WHY YOU AND YOUR FELLOW SSPX SUPPORTERS ARE HIDING YOUR IDENTITY WITH ANONYMITY. BUNCH OF COWARDS.

[23 years after Pope Callixtus III set a commission to examine her case the pronounce her innocence.]

OF COURSE, PROCESSES DURING THOSE TIMES TAKES YEARS BECAUSE OF LACK OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE PLUS THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR OPPORTUNE POLITICAL AND SOCIAL ATMOSPHERE APPROPRIATE FOR A JUST AND UNBIASED RE-STUDY OF THE CASE.

POPE NICHOLAS WAS NOT INVOLVED IN HER UNJUST TRIAL AND EXECUTION AND THE SUCCEEDING POPE DOUBTED THE LEGALITY OF THAT TRIAL.

[Beatified by Pius X in 1909 and canonized by Benedict XV in 1920. Anyone reading your comment would conclude that the rehabilitation, beatification and canonization was done by one and the same pope.]

EXCUSE ME, I WAS NOT PRESENTING THE LIFE OF ST. JOAN OF ARC. I WAS IN THE MIDST OF DISCUSSION AND IT WAS NOT MY INTENT TO PRESENT A CHRONOLOGY OF EVENT OF HER LIFE.

MY POINT IS THAT THE SSPX FOLLOWER OR YOU IF YOU ARE THE ONE, HE, HE, HE... LIED WHEN HE LIKENED LEFEBVRE TO ST. JOAN OF ARC WHO WAS EXCOMMUNICATED. NO, NO, NO...

ST. JOAN LIVED AND DIED LOYAL TO THE POPE. LOYAL TO THE POPE. LEFEBVRE LIVED AND DIED A TRAITOR TO THE POPE.

THAT IS MY POINT. THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THE DISCUSSION. NOW IF YOU WANT A COMPLETE CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS ON THE LIFE OF ST. JOAN DON'T BE A FOOL COMING HERE LOOKING FOR THAT. TAKE A PEEK AT THE WIKIPEDIA OR THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA ON LINE FOR THAT UNDER THE TOPIC 'ST JOAN OF ARC'.

October 3, 2010 6:29 PM