MAYROON BANG HINDI ALAM SI CRISTO?

The Lord of Lords before His Ascension

 

 

 

Anonymous
said...

Fr. Abe, sana po buksan niyo po ang puso at isipan nyo.. Dba po ang ang
Diyos lamang ang nakakaalam ng lahat.. samantalang si Cristo ay hindi
nya alam kung kailan ang araw ng Paghuhukom.. Sana po maliwanagan po
kayo.. na iba si Cristo sa tunay na Diyos.. may panahon pa po pra
magbalik-loob sa Diyos! 

August 20, 2011 5:30 PM 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[Fr. Abe, sana po buksan niyo po ang puso at isipan nyo..]

BUKAS ANG AKING PUSO AT ISIPAN. SA IYO ANG NAKASARA.

[Dba po ang ang Diyos lamang ang nakakaalam ng lahat..]

YES, DIOS LANG ANG NAKAKAALAM NG LAHAT.

[samantalang si Cristo ay hindi nya alam kung kailan ang araw ng Paghuhukom..]

O
NO, NO, NO... I RESEARCHED THAT VERSE AND I'VE FOUND OUT THAT ONLY ONE
GREEK TEXT ANG NAGSASABI NIYAN. THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THE EXISTING GREEK
TEXTS OF NEW TESTAMENT WALANG SINASABI NA HINDI ALAM NI CRISTO ANG ARAW
NG PAGHUHUKOM O ANG KANYANG PAGDATING NA MULI:

THE VERSE YOU ARE REFERRING TO ABOUT IS MATTHEW 24:36.

IT
IS VERY INTERESTING THAT BOTH THE CATHOLIC DOUAY-RHEIMS AND THE
PROTESTANT KING JAMES VERSION DOESN'T STATE THAT THE SON DOESN'T KNOW
THE TIME AND THE HOUR OF THE SECOND COMING:

Matthew 24:36 [DRV] But of that day and hour no one knoweth: no, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.

Matthew 24:36 [KJV] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

AND THERE ARE SOME BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT CONTAINS "NOT EVEN THE SON" WHILE THERE ARE OTHERS WHICH DO NOT STATE IT AT ALL.

I
CHECKED AT THE GREEK TEXT OF THE BIBLE AND I FOUND OUT THAT THE ONLY
ONE CONTAINING THE SON AS ONE OF THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW THE DAY OF THE
SECOND COMING IS Greek NT: Westcott/Hort with Diacritics. BUT THE GREAT
MAJORITY OF OTHER GREEK NEW TESTAMENT TEXTS LEND SUPPORT TO THE
TRANSLATION OF DOUAY-RHEIMS AND KING JAMES VERSION:

1. Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church
2. Greek NT: Stephanus Textus Receptus (1550, with accents)
3. Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
4. Greek NT: Textus Receptus (1894)

[ Sana po maliwanagan po kayo..]

IKAW
ANG DAPAT MALIWANAGAN. DAHIL MAY NAKASULAT RIN SA BIBLIA NA MERONG ALAM
SI CRISTO NA HINDI ALAM NG IBA, KUNDI BUKOD TANGING SIYA LAMANG ANG
NAKAKAALAM:

Revelation 19:12 [Good News Bible/RSV/ESV] His eyes
were like a flame of fire, and he wore many crowns on his head. He had a
name written on him, but NO ONE EXCEPT HIMSELF KNOWS what it is.

SO,
DOES IT MEAN THAT THE FATHER DOES NOT KNOW IT AND THEREFORE HE IS NOT
GOD? IF I FOLLOW YOUR WAY OF THINKING THAT WILL BE THE LOGICAL
CONCLUSION. THUS, YOUR REASONING IS WRONG AND ERRONEOUS.

[ na iba si Cristo sa tunay na Diyos..]

HA
HA HA... SAAN NAKASULAT SA BIBLIA NA "IBA SI CRISTO SA TUNAY NA DIOS"?
ANG NAKASULAT SI CRISTO AT ANG AMA AY IISA [cf. John 10:30]. WAG MONG
BAGUHIN ANG BIBLIA. WAG IPILIT ANG IYONG HAKA-HAKA. WAG MAGPALOKO KAY
MANALO.

[may panahon pa po pra magbalik-loob sa Diyos!]

IKAW
ANG DAPAT MAGBALIK-LOOB SA DIOS KASI WALA SA BIBLIA ANG ARAL MO. GALING
LANG IYAN SA PEKENG ANGHEL NA SI FELIX MANALO. ANG PEKENG ANGHEL NA
NABULOK ANG KATAWAN. 

August 20, 2011 6:04 PM

HEBREW 1.8 AT ANG PAGKA-DIOS NG PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO Part 2

The Lord Jesus sitting on His Throne as Lord and King of the Universe

CONTINUATION OF PART 1:

http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2011/08/hebrew-18-at-ang-pagka-dios-ng.html

Anonymous
said...

Good day father,,,, shane ulit po to,, hehehe pasensya ayaw talaga matinag ng manalista n si emmanuel espiritu..

after kung replyan ng itinanong ko sau the other day
heto ang reply sa akin,,,

Bakit
ba nilagyan ng mga Bible Scholars ng "FOOT NOTE" ang salin na sila ang
gumawa,... kasi may consinsiya sila at batid nila na hindi talaga yun
ang dapat at tamang pagkakasalin,... hindi gaya mo mo "pikit mata" na
tinatanggap ang maling salin basta't tumama lang sagusto mo.

Isa
pa,...ang Moffat at Goodspeed version ba ay hindi Biblia,... kaya ayaw
mong tanggapin ang mga version na yan kasi nga hindi tumama sa gusto mo.

Nagsusumiksik
ka sa mga maling salin (some verses lang ha at hindi lahat ng buong
verses ng Biblia ng RSV/KJV and others)... dahil doon ka makakakuha ng
proof sa faith mo,.. kahit mali ang salin ng verses.

Pangalawa,..
ginagamit namin ang mga ibat-ibang version na kung saan ay
masusumpungan natin ang walang "kontrahan pahayag ng mga kasulatan,
hindi kasi kami one sided na katulad mo o' ninyo.

Ang dapat mong
pansinin, napatunayan namin na ang Hebrews 1:8 ay maling salin,... hindi
mangmang (fool) ang tunay na Dios (only wise God nga eh) na matapos
Niyang ipahayag na Siya lamang ang Dios at wala ng iba at hindi na
magkakaroon pa (future) ng iba pang Dios, ay ipahahayag Niya na "ah
sorry ha,.. mayroon pa pala, yun anak ko? Kayo lang ang nag-pahayag
niyan at hindi ang Dios na tunay na nag-iisa lang magpahanggang sa
ngayon.

"IISA" lang ang tunay na Dios, hindi nakikita, walang
kamatayan, Ama at Dios ni Lord Jesus Christ,... kasama niya ngayon sa
langit.

Hindi komo nabasa mo ang pahayag na "Thy God is thy
Throne" ang ibig sabihin niyan mataas pa si Cristo, dahil trono na lang
niya ang Dios. Lumalabas ngayon na "ikaw ang mangmag" kasi mauupuan ba
ang Dios, eh Espiritu yun sa kalagayan. Ang ibig lang sabihin non ay
nakaupo siya sa kanan ng Dios na ang real meaning ng may unawa ay "right
hand man" (annointed and appointed) siya ng Dios. ...middle man between
God and men (1 Tim 2:5)


Ho Ho Ho Ho !

Tnx po Father,,

August 12, 2011 10:32 PM

 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[Good day father,,,, shane ulit po to,, hehehe pasensya ayaw talaga matinag ng manalista n si emmanuel espiritu..

after kung replyan ng itinanong ko sau the other day
heto ang reply sa akin,,,]

SHANE,
PLEASE LEARN HOW TO ANSWER HIM. HINDI YUNG MAKIKIPAG DISCUSSION KA
TAPOS AKO ANG PASASAGUTIN MO. HE HE HE... I HAVE MY OWN DISCUSSIONS TO
RESPOND TO. LEARN HOW TO REFUTE HIM ON YOUR OWN. YOU HAVE TO DO IT
OTHERWISE YOU WILL NOT LEARN APOLOGETICS AND YOU WILL ALWAYS DEPEND ON
ME. OUR GOAL IS TO EMPOWER YOU TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THE FAITH ON YOUR
OWN.

[Bakit ba nilagyan ng mga Bible Scholars ng "FOOT NOTE" ang salin na sila ang gumawa,...]

BAKIT
NGA BA? SIEMPRE HINDI PARA SABIHING MALI ANG TRANSLATIONS NILA KUNDI
UPANG MAGBIGAY NG PALIWANAG. KUNG MALI ANG TRANSLATIONS NILA E DI HINA
NA NILA IYON ILALAGAY SA SALITA NG DIOS. KAYA PALPAK ANG PAG-IISIP MO.
KABALIWAN AND SELF-DEFEATING. HE HE HE....

[kasi may consinsiya sila at batid nila na hindi talaga yun ang dapat at tamang pagkakasalin,...]

KATANGAHAN.
HINDI NILA SINABING NAKONSIENCIA SILA AT INAAMIN NILANG HINDI TALAGA
IYON ANG PAGKAKASALIN. WALANG NAKASULAT NA GANON. HE HE HE...
HALUSINASYON MO LAMANG IYAN. PATI BA NAMAN SA FOOTNOTE E LOLOKOHIN MO
KAMI? PATI SARILI MO AY GINAGAGO MO. KAHIT WALANG SINABI NA MALI ANG
TRANSLATION E MINAMALI MO. LOKOHIN MO ANG LELANG MONG PANOT!!! 

[hindi gaya mo mo "pikit mata" na tinatanggap ang maling salin basta't tumama lang sagusto mo.]

HA
HA HA... BUANG KA PALA E. IKAW LANG NAMAN ANG NAGSASABI NA MALI ANG
SALIN. WALANG SINABI ANG FOOTNOTE NA MALI ANG SALIN. HA HA HA... HINDI
KA PIKIT MATA KUNDI "WALA-UTAK". HA HA HA... DULING AT BULAG. HA HA
HA...

[Isa pa,...ang Moffat at Goodspeed version ba ay hindi Biblia,...]

SALIN
NG BIBLIA NA GAWA LANG NG IISANG TAO KAYA KULANG SA ISIP AT TALINO NA
GAWA NG MARAMING MGA MAS MAGAGALING NA SCHOLARS. BAKIT ANG KING JAMES
VERSION BA HINDI BIBLIA? ANG NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION BA HINDI BIBLIA?
ANG GOOD NEWS BIBLE BA HINDI BIBLIA? HA HA HA...

[kaya ayaw mong tanggapin ang mga version na yan kasi nga hindi tumama sa gusto mo.]

HINDI
IYAN NAKADEPENDE SA KUNG ANO ANG GUSTO KO. NAKADEPENDE IYAN SA KUNG ANO
ANG MAS TUNAY NA SALIN NA SINUSUGAN NG HIGIT NA NAKARARAMING MGA BIBLE
AND GREEK SCHOLARS. HINDI PA UMUUTOT ANG LOLO NI MOFFATS E "THY THRONE O
GOD" NA ANG TRANSLATIONS NIYAN AT WALANG NAGREREKLAMO. KAYO LANG NAMAN
ANG PUMILI NG MOFFATS PARA SA HEBREW 1:8 UPANG MASUNOD ANG GUSTO NYO. HE
HE HE...

[Nagsusumiksik ka sa mga maling salin (some verses
lang ha at hindi lahat ng buong verses ng Biblia ng RSV/KJV and
others)... dahil doon ka makakakuha ng proof sa faith mo,.. kahit mali
ang salin ng verses.]

HA HA HA... TANGA PALA KAYO E. BAKIT KING
JAMES VERSION ANG PANGUNAHING BIBLIA NA GAMIT NG MGA PASTOR NINYO? IYAN
ANG MADALAS GAMITIN NINYO SA MGA DISCUSYON AT MGA DEBATE AT TV PROGRAMS.
MALI PALA DAPAT HINDI NA NINYO GINAGAMIT. HE HE HE... SANA MOFFATS NA
LANG ANG GAMITIN NINYONG OFFICAL BIBLE NYO. HE HE HE... 

[Pangalawa,.. ginagamit namin ang mga ibat-ibang version na kung saan ay
masusumpungan natin ang walang "kontrahan pahayag ng mga kasulatan,
hindi kasi kami one sided na katulad mo o' ninyo.]

TANGA PALA
KAYO E. ANONG WALANG KONTRAHAN. GINAGAMIT NINYO ANG KJV TAPOS MAY KONTRA
IYON SA MOFFATS E DI MAY KONTRAHAN. HA HA HA... TIGNAN MO AT NAHUHULI
KA SA IYONG KASINUNGALINGAN. HA HA HA...

[Ang dapat mong pansinin, napatunayan namin na ang Hebrews 1:8 ay maling salin,...]

WALA KANG NAPATUNAYAN DAHIL WALANG SINABI SA FOOTNOTE NG RSV NA MALI ANG SALIN. ANONG PATUNAY MO? WALA. HA HA HA... KAHIT NAMAN ANG MOFFATS WALANG SINABI NA MALI ANG SALIN NG KJV, NIV, TEV, RSV AT IBA PA. HA HA HA...



[hindi mangmang (fool) ang tunay na Dios (only wise God nga eh) na
matapos Niyang ipahayag na Siya lamang ang Dios at wala ng iba at hindi
na magkakaroon pa (future) ng iba pang Dios, ay ipahahayag Niya na "ah
sorry ha,.. mayroon pa pala, yun anak ko?]

ANG DIOS AY HINDI FOOL
SUBALIT KAYO AY FOOLS. SABI NG DIOS SIYA AY IISANG DIOS. SABI NI CRISTO
SIYA AT ANG AMA AY IISA. SABI NG AMA DIOS ANG ANAMK. E DI ISA ANG DIOS.
KAYO LANG NAMAN ANG NAGSASABI NA NAGING DALAWA ANG DIOS KUNG DIOS ANG
ANAK. HA HA HA... MALINAW NA ISA DAHIL SILA AY IISA. AT WALANG SINABI
ANG DIOS NA "HINDI DIOS ANG ANAK KO". WALA. SAAN? CHAPTER AND VERSE
PLEASE. ANG AMA AY TINAWAG NA DIOS ANG ANAK.

[Kayo lang ang nag-pahayag niyan at hindi ang Dios na tunay na nag-iisa lang magpahanggang sa ngayon.]

DIOS
ANG NAGPAHAYAG NIYAN AT HINDI KAMI. HE HE HE... GINAGO NINYO ANG
SARILI NYO NA MALI ANG SALIN SA HEBREW 1:8 KAHIT WALANG SINASABI SA
FOOTNOTE NG RSV NA MALI IYON. MGA ILUSYUNADO. HA HA HA...

["IISA"
lang ang tunay na Dios, hindi nakikita, walang kamatayan, Ama at Dios
ni Lord Jesus Christ,... kasama niya ngayon sa langit.]

SI JESUS
AT ANG AMA AY IISA. SILA AY IISANG DIOS. SA LANGIT SINABI NG AMA NA ANG
ANAK AY DIOS AT ANG TRONO NG ANAK AY PANGMAGPAKAYLANMAN.

[Hindi
komo nabasa mo ang pahayag na "Thy God is thy Throne" ang ibig sabihin
niyan mataas pa si Cristo, dahil trono na lang niya ang Dios. Lumalabas
ngayon na "ikaw ang mangmag" kasi mauupuan ba ang Dios, eh Espiritu yun
sa kalagayan.]

TANGA PALA KAYO E. KUNG HINDI MAUUPUAN ANG DIOS
IBIG SABIHIN MALI TALAGANG SALIN ANG "GOD IS THY THRONE". HA HA HA...
ALAM MO NANG HINDI TRONO ANG DIOS TAPOS SASABIHIN MO PA. ANG DIOS AY
NAKALUKLOK SA TRONO HINDI TRONO NG ANAK. GUNGGONG. UTAK GALAPONG. HA HA
HA...

[Ang ibig lang sabihin non ay nakaupo siya sa kanan ng
Dios na ang real meaning ng may unawa ay "right hand man" (annointed and
appointed) siya ng Dios. ...middle man between God and men (1 Tim 2:5)]

TANGA.
MAY NAKASULAT SA BIBLIA NA SI CRISTO NAKALUKLOK SA KANAN NG AMA.
SUBALIT WALANG SINABI NA ANG TRONO NI CRISTO AY ANG AMA. KUNG ANG TRONO
NI CRISTO AY ANG AMA E DI WALA NA SA KANAN NI CRISTO ANG AMA DAHIL
INUUPUAN NA NIYA. KAYA TALAGANG KATANGAHAN ANG TRANSLATION NYO. HA HA
HA... INSULTO IYAN SA AMA. KALAPASTANGANAN. KABALIWAN!!!


[Ho Ho Ho Ho !

Tnx po Father,,]

HA HA HA... WELCOME... 

August 13, 2011 9:11 AM

HEBREW 1.8 AT ANG PAGKA-DIOS NG PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO Part 1

The Pantokrator - Jesus as the All-Powerful Lord

 

Anonymous
said...

Good day father abe..


shane ulit po to,,( ang kulit ko)

ay naku d b makailang beses n rin po ninyo n

na explain n si Cristo ay Dios din d b??

at Iisa lang sila ng Dios ama,,

heto n naman yung isang Manalista,,

ayaw tanggapin yung Hebrew 1:8 kung saan tinawag ng ama n dios si cristo,,


heto yung reply nya sa akin Father,,,

duh nakakainis ang yabang talaga..

heto yung reply ni Emmanuel Espiritu,

Ang mahalaga nalaman mo na mali ang salin, kaya nagkaroon ng contradiction ang dalawang verses.

Hindi
ka dapat matakot na harapin ang katotohanan dahil gaya ng alam mo na
ang katotohanan ang magpapalaya sa iyo,.. di ba? The truth will set you
free from the bondage of sins and error.

The Isaiah 44:8 and Hebrews 1:8 are the verses I am talking to.

Isaiah: God declared.
8.
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time,
and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside
me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Hebrew: God announcement?
8. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Ang
dalawang talata ng Biblia na naglalaban ng pahayag sa bawat isa ay
marapat lamang na suriin mabuti, upang matuklasan kung alin verse ang
"toto'o"?

Ang verse 8 ng aklat ng Hebrew ay naisulat sa panahon
ng Panginoon Jesus-Cristo at ang Isaiah 44:8 naman ay naisulat na
libo-libong taon na bago pa ang Christian Era.

Ang mga Bible
Scholars na nag-translate nito from Greek language to english language
ay naglagay ng "FOOTNOTE" of the RSV we quoted above it writes ,...

"GOD
IS YOUR THRONE" exactly how it was rendered in the Old Testament where
it was quoted in Psalms 45:6 of the Jewish Publication Society version
of 1917.

The correct translation that we could be relayed on
without contradicting the Isaiah 44:8 are the two version made by J.
Moffat and the Goodspeed . Quote:

"He says of the Son, `God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity`." (Moffat Translation)

But
of the Son he says, `God is your throne forever and ever! And a
righteous sceptre is the sceptre of his kingdom!`" (Goodspeed)

It give us the information about which is the right translation from Greek to English without contradicting each of it's verses.

Nasa sa iyo na ngayon kung ayaw mong lumaya through the truth with reliable facts and events.

Tama lang ang pahayag ng Biblia,..."ang Diois ay iisa lamang at He is the only wise God either... ref: 1 Tim 1:17.

Sa
tao nga ;lang eh, kapag wise ang isang tao ay hindi siya magbibigay ng
nag-kokontrahan pahayag, lalo na't ito ay gagamitin sa korte. Tao lang
yan shane, eh ang iisang Dios na tunay ang nagpahayag na wala na siyang
kinikilala pang iba pang Dios kundi ang iisa lang at yaon ay ang Kanyang
sarili. Isaiah 44:8

At ipinahayag na rin ng iisang Dios na tunay
na nag-iisang matalinong Dios, na hindi nagkaroon ng iba pang Dios na
una sa Kanya at magkakaroon pa ng iba pang Dios pagkatapos Niya (kung
matatapos Siya). Isaiah 43:10 KJV.

"Ye are my witnesses, saith
the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and
believe me, and understand that I am he: BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD
FORMED, NEITHER SHALL BE THERE BE AFTER ME.

Kaya, yaman alam mo
na pala na ang iisang tunay na Dios ay ang Ama at Dios ni Lord Jesus
Christ, eh masiyahan ka na sa mga pahayag ng mga Banal na Kasulatan at I
am pretty sure with 100% assurance that it will be beneficial not only
for you but to all.


Amen.

August 8, 2011 3:48 PM

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[Good day father abe..]

GOOD DAY TO YOU TOO...


[shane ulit po to,,( ang kulit ko)]

HELLO SHANE... NAKU, SUPER KULIT TALAGA... PATI YUNG FULL MESSAGE NG MGA DEMONIO IPINASKEL MO PA DITO. HE HE HE...

[ay naku d b makailang beses n rin po ninyo n

na explain n si Cristo ay Dios din d b??]

YES.

[at Iisa lang sila ng Dios ama,,]

YES... MALINAW YAN SA JOHN 10:30.

[heto n naman yung isang Manalista,,

ayaw tanggapin yung Hebrew 1:8 kung saan tinawag ng ama n dios si cristo,,]

TALAGANG HINDI TINATANGGAP YAN NG MGA KAMPON NG KADILIMAN DAHIL NASA LIWANAG SI CRISTO. SIYA ANG ILAW.


[heto yung reply nya sa akin Father,,,

duh nakakainis ang yabang talaga..]

WAG MONG ILAGAY DITO NG BUO DAHIL NADUDUMIHAN ANG ATING BLOG. NASASALA-ULA NG MGA KATAMPALASANAN NILA.

[heto yung reply ni Emmanuel Espiritu,]

ITO BA ANG MANALISTA?

[Ang mahalaga nalaman mo na mali ang salin, kaya nagkaroon ng contradiction ang dalawang verses.]

TAMA
ANG SALIN AT HALOS LAHAT NG BIBLE SCHOLARS AND TRANSLATORS IYON ANG
SALIN DAHIL IYON ANG TAMA. KAHIT ANG KING JAMES VERSION AT ANG BIBLIA
NA PANGUNAHING GAMIT NG MGA PASTOR NI MANALO AY "YOUR THRONE, O GOD" ANG
SALIN. HE HE HE...

WALANG CONTRADICTION. ANG CONTRADICTION AY NASA UTAK NI FELIX MANALO NA NANG UTO SA KANYA.

[Hindi
ka dapat matakot na harapin ang katotohanan dahil gaya ng alam mo na
ang katotohanan ang magpapalaya sa iyo,.. di ba? The truth will set you
free from the bondage of sins and error.]

KAYA NGA HARAPIN NINYO
ANG KATOTOHANANG ANG MGA BIBLIA NA GAMIT NINYO E HAYAGANG NAGSASABI NA
TINAWAG NG AMA NA DIOS ANG ANAK: "YOUR THRONE, O GOD"! YAN ANG TUTUO.

[The Isaiah 44:8 and Hebrews 1:8 are the verses I am talking to.]

WALANG CONTRADICTION ANG DALAWANG YAN.

[Isaiah: God declared.
8.
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time,
and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside
me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.]

NASAAN ANG CONTRADICTION? WALA.

NASAAN SINABI NG AMA NA: "YOU MY SON IS NOT GOD!" WALA. SO WALANG CONTRADICTION.

[Hebrew: God announcement?
8.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a
sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.]

KITAM, IKAW NA MISMO ANG NAGSULAT NA "THY THRONE, O GOD" ANG SINASAAD NG HEBREW 1:8. TAPOS KA NA. HE HE HE...

[Ang
dalawang talata ng Biblia na naglalaban ng pahayag sa bawat isa ay
marapat lamang na suriin mabuti, upang matuklasan kung alin verse ang
"toto'o"?]

ANONG ALING VERSE ANG TUTUO? SIEMPRE PAREHONG TUTUO DAHIL PAREHONG BIBLIA YAN. HE HE HE...

[Ang
verse 8 ng aklat ng Hebrew ay naisulat sa panahon ng Panginoon
Jesus-Cristo at ang Isaiah 44:8 naman ay naisulat na libo-libong taon na
bago pa ang Christian Era.]

IBIG SABIHIN NUNG HINDI PA
NAGKATAWANG TAO ANG PANGINOONG JESUS ANG AMA AY NAGDECLARA NA DIOS SIYA
SUBALIT NUNG DUMATING NA SI CRISTO AT NAKILALA NA BILANG PANGINOON
IPINAHAYAG NA SA MGA SUMASAMPALATAYA NA ANG AMA AY NAGDECLARANG DIOS SI
CRISTO. HINDI DALAWA ANG DIOS DAHIL SABI NI CRISTO "AKO AT ANG AMA AY
IISA". IISA SAAN? SA PAGKA-DIOS. 

[Ang mga Bible Scholars na nag-translate nito from Greek language to
english language ay naglagay ng "FOOTNOTE" of the RSV we quoted above it
writes ,...]

HA HA HA... TANGA KA PALA E. BAKIT FOOTNOTE ANG
TITIGNAN MO E HINDI NAMAN PART NG BIBLE ANG FOOTNOTE. YON AY OPINION
LANG. ANG TALATA NG BIBLIA AY ANG MISMONG NAKALAGAY SA VERSES. ITO ANG
NAKASULAT SA HEBREW 1:8 NG REVISED STANDARD VERSION [RSV]:

Hebrew 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.

SEE,
YAN ANG NAKASULAT SA REVISED STANDARD VERSION. YANG FOOTNOTE LAMUNIN MO
AT ISAKSAK MO SA BAGA MO DAHIL HINDI YAN SALITA NG DIOS. HE HE HE...
ISA PA, WALANG SINABI ANG RSV NA MALI YUNG "YOUR THRONE O GOD" SA HALIP
ANG NAKALAGAY SA FOOTNOTE AY "OR" SUBALIT MAS PINILI NILA ANG "YOUR
THRONE O GOD" KESA SA "GOD IS YOUR THRONE" DAHIL IYON ANG MAS TAMA AT
ANGKOP. HE HE HE...

["GOD IS YOUR THRONE" exactly how it was
rendered in the Old Testament where it was quoted in Psalms 45:6 of the
Jewish Publication Society version of 1917.]

O NO, NO, NO... MANLOLOKO KA DYAN. TIGNAN NATIN ANG TALATANG IYAN BASED SA RSV NA PABORITO NINYO. HE HE HE:

Psalm 45:6 Your divine throne endures for ever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity...

WALANG
SINABI DYAN NA "GOD IS YOUR THRONE". WALANG WALA. ANG SABI "YOUR DIVINE
THRONE"... IBIG SABIHIN ANG PAGHAHARI NI CRISTONG MESIYAS AY PAGHAHARI
NG DIOS. ANG THRONE DIYAN IS AN ANALOGY FOR KINGSHIP AND THE REIGN OF
THE MESSIAH... ANG DIVINITY DIYAN AY SA PAGHAHARI NG DIOS NA WALANG IBA
KUNDI ANG MESIYAS. 

ANG SABI "YOUR DIVINE THRONE"... AMINADO KA NA SI CRISTO ANG TINUTUKOY. IBIG SABIHIN ANG THRONE AY PAG-AARI NI CRISTO. ANG THRONE AY "DIVINE THRONE" DAHIL ANG NAKA-LUKLOK AY DIVINE O DIOS. ANG UPUAN NG HARI AY ROYAL THRONE DAHIL ANG HARI AY ROYAL MAGISTRATE. KUNG ANG NAKA-UPO AY PRESIDENTE ANG LUKLUKAN AY "PRESIDENTIAL SEAT". KUNG DIOS ANG NAKA-UPO ANG THRONE AY "DIVINE THRONE"... KAYA ANG ADJECTIVE NA DIVINE DIYAN AY NAGPAPAKILALA SA PAGKA DIOS NI CRISTO NA NAGTATAGLAY NG DIVINE THRONE.




[The correct translation that we could be
relayed on without contradicting the Isaiah 44:8 are the two version
made by J. Moffat and the Goodspeed . Quote:

"He says of the Son, `God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity`." (Moffat Translation)]

HA
HA HA... KUNG ANG THRONE NI JESUS AY GOD E DI MAS MATAAS SI JESUS SA
AMA KASI UPUAN LANG NI JESUS ANG AMA. HA HA HA... ANO BA ANG MAS MATAAS,
ANG NAKAUPO O ANG INUUPUAN? HA HA HA...

INSULTO SA DIOS IYAN.
IMAGINE DIOS TAPOS GAGAWIN MONG THRONE LANG NG ISANG HINDI DIOS. HA HA
HA... BLASPHEMY. SACRILEGE. KATANGAHAN AT KABALIWAN LANG IYAN NI FELIX
MANALO. HA HA HA... 

[But of the Son he says, `God is your throne forever and ever! And a
righteous sceptre is the sceptre of his kingdom!`" (Goodspeed)]

YANG
MGA TRANSLATIONS NA IYAN AY OBSCURE TRANSLATIONS LANG AT ANG MGA SALIN
NA IYAN HINDI TINANGGAP NG MGA CRISTIANO KAYA NGA HINDI SILA
PANGKARANIWANG GINAGAMIT TULAD NG KJV, RSV, NIV AT GOOD NEWS BIBLE. HE
HE HE...

NANGANGARAP KAYO NG DILAT. HA HA HA...

[It give
us the information about which is the right translation from Greek to
English without contradicting each of it's verses.]

MALI ANG
INYONG TRANSLATIONS. PALPAK. THE GREAT MAJORITY OF EXPERTS AND SCHOLARS
REJECTED THOSE TRANSLATIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY ERRONEOUS.

[Nasa sa iyo na ngayon kung ayaw mong lumaya through the truth with reliable facts and events.]

HA HA HA... HINDI TRUTH ANG PINAGSASABI MO KUNDI HOCUS POCUS AT OPINION. PANG FOOTNOTE LANG ANG PALUSOT MO. BULOK.

[Tama lang ang pahayag ng Biblia,..."ang Diois ay iisa lamang at He is the only wise God either... ref: 1 Tim 1:17.]

TALAGANG IISA ANG DIOS DAHIL SI JESUS AT ANG AMA AY IISA.

[Sa
tao nga ;lang eh, kapag wise ang isang tao ay hindi siya magbibigay ng
nag-kokontrahan pahayag, lalo na't ito ay gagamitin sa korte. Tao lang
yan shane, eh ang iisang Dios na tunay ang nagpahayag na wala na siyang
kinikilala pang iba pang Dios kundi ang iisa lang at yaon ay ang Kanyang
sarili. Isaiah 44:8]

KUNG WISE KA HINDI MO RERETOKIHIN ANG VERSE
NG BIBLIA GAMIT ANG FOOTNOTE NA YUNG MGA SUMULAT MISMO AY HINDI GINAMIT
NA OFFICIAL NA SALIN NG BIBLIA.

[At ipinahayag na rin ng iisang
Dios na tunay na nag-iisang matalinong Dios, na hindi nagkaroon ng iba
pang Dios na una sa Kanya at magkakaroon pa ng iba pang Dios pagkatapos
Niya (kung matatapos Siya). Isaiah 43:10 KJV.]

HA HA HA... NGAYON
KJV NA ANG GAMIT MO. HA HA HA... KITAM TIGNAN MO ANG KAIPOCRITOHAN AT
PANLOLOKO MO. MALI PALA ANG KJV SA HEBREW 1:8 BAKIT MO PA GINAGAMIT? HE
HE HE...

["Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant
whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that
I am he: BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NEITHER SHALL BE THERE BE
AFTER ME.]

YES, KASI NGA SI CRISTO AT ANG AMA AY IISA NA SA SIMULA PA LANG. ANG VERBO AY DIOS SA SIMULA PA LANG.

[Kaya,
yaman alam mo na pala na ang iisang tunay na Dios ay ang Ama at Dios ni
Lord Jesus Christ, eh masiyahan ka na sa mga pahayag ng mga Banal na
Kasulatan at I am pretty sure with 100% assurance that it will be
beneficial not only for you but to all.]

ALAM NAMIN NA SI CRISTO
AY DIOS DAHIL IYON ANG TINURO SA AMIN NG BIBLIA AT NG AMA MISMO. IKAW AY
NABALIW AT HINDI BIBLIA ANG PINANIWALAAN KUNDI FOOTNOTE. HE HE HE...


[Amen.]

AMEN. ALLELUIA!!! 

August 8, 2011 11:13 PM

THE ABSURDITY OF THE IGLESIA NI MANALO REASONING Part 3

The Pantokrator - The All-Powerful, Eternal Christ

 

simplecatholic
said...

Fr. Abe,

medyo iba po ang pananaw ko tungkol sa "pre-existence of
Christ", nais ko lang pong magpakonsulta kung tama kasi baka ako po'y
namamali na.

Sa isang banda, totoo naman ang sinasabi ng mga
Iglesia ni Manalo na walang "pre-existent Christ" o hindi pa
nag-eksistido si Kristo sa simula (eternity).

Ngayon, eto po ang
paliwanag. Kasi nga po Anak pa lang Siya non. Wala pang buto't laman.
Pag sinabi kasing "Hesus" o "Kristo" o "HesuKristo", tumutukoy ito sa
ating tagapag-ligtas na parehong DIYOS at TAO. Eh hindi pa po naman
nagiging tao ang Anak nun, wala pa Siyang buto't laman kaya hindi pa
Siya "Hesus" o "Kristo" nun. Naging Kristo lang ang Anak nung
magkatawang tao na Siya.

Kaya sa tingin ko (at sa tingin ko lang
naman po Father), inappropriate kung tatawagin na agad nating "Hesus"
ang Anak na hindi pa nagkakatawang tao.

tama naman ang mga INC,
wala pang Hesus sa simula. Pero ang paliwanag natin, dahil nga
ANAK(second person of the trinity) pa lang Siya noon.

tama po ba pananaw ko Father? Salamat po sa oras niyo.

August 2, 2011 11:52 AM

 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

BROD, YOUR POINT IS ONLY HALF-TRUTH PREGNANT WITH DISTORTION. LET ME CHECK YOUR STATEMENT:



[Sa isang banda, totoo naman ang sinasabi ng mga
Iglesia ni Manalo na walang "pre-existent Christ" o hindi pa
nag-eksistido si Kristo sa simula (eternity).]

MALI ITO KASI ITO AY TAHASANG KUMUKONTRA SA GOSPEL OF JOHN NA NAGSASAAD NA SI CRISTO AY NARUON NA SA SIMULA PA LAMANG:

 

John 1:1-2  Nang pasimula siya ang Verbo, at ang Verbo ay sumasa Dios, at ang Verbo ay Dios. Ito rin nang pasimula'y sumasa Dios. 

 

SEE, NARUON NA SI CRISTO SA SIMULA PA LAMANG.

John 1:3-4  Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay ginawa sa pamamagitan niya; at alin man sa lahat ng ginawa ay hindi ginawa kung wala siya. Nasa kaniya ang buhay; at ang buhay ay siyang ilaw ng mga tao. 

 

KAY CRISTO DAW NAGMULA ANG BUHAY. ABAY'S DIOS IYAN. 

John 1:5  At ang ilaw ay lumiliwanag sa kadiliman; at ito'y hindi napagunawa ng kadiliman.

KAYA NASA KADILIMAN ANG IGLESIA NI MANALO KASI HINDI NILA MAUNAWAAN NA NARUON NA SI CRISTO SA SIMULA PA LANG.

 

 [Ngayon, eto po ang
paliwanag. Kasi nga po Anak pa lang Siya non. Wala pang buto't laman.
Pag sinabi kasing "Hesus" o "Kristo" o "HesuKristo", tumutukoy ito sa
ating tagapag-ligtas na parehong DIYOS at TAO. Eh hindi pa po naman
nagiging tao ang Anak nun, wala pa Siyang buto't laman kaya hindi pa
Siya "Hesus" o "Kristo" nun. Naging Kristo lang ang Anak nung
magkatawang tao na Siya.]

 

SI CRISTO AY SI CRISTO NA NUON PA MAN. ANG PAGKAKATAWANG-TAO NG ANAK NG DIOS AY AYON SA HUMAN DIMENSION OF TIME AND SPACE SUBALIT ANG DIOS AY ETERNAL KAYA SI CRISTO AY ETERNALLY SON OF GOD AND INCARNATE GOD.  PARA SA ATING MGA TAO MERONG PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. SI JESUS
NAGKATAWANG TAO AT A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME KAYA BEFORE THAT WALA PA SI
JESUS. YAN AY BASE LAMANG SA ATING LIMITED UNDERSTANDING.

SUBALIT SI
CRISTO AY PANGINOON AT DIOS. BILANG DIOS AT PANGINOON HE IS NOT SUBJECT
TO TIME. HE IS ETERNAL. KAYA NGA SABI NG LETTER TO THE HEBREWS:

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

THE
SAME DAW SI CRISTO NUON, NGAYON AT MAGPAKAYLANMAN. YAN ANG ETERNITY OF
CHRIST. SIYA AY ETERNAL DAHIL SIYA ANG SIMULA AT ANG WAKAS. DIOS SIYA.

KAYA
ANG CHANGES IN TIME AY HUMAN UNDERSTANDING LANG SUBALIT JESUS IN HIS
VERY ESSENCE AS GOD AY THE SAME NA SIYA EVERSINCE KASI HE IS NOT LIMITED
BY TIME AND SPACE. WHAT IS PAST IS NOT PAST FOR HIM WHAT IS FUTURE FOR
US IS NOT FUTURE FOR HIM BUT ALL IS HAPPENING IN THE ETERNAL NOW.
ETERNITY IS THE POSSESSION OF A PERFECT LIFE WITHOUT BEGINNING AND
WITHOUT END. 



[Kaya sa tingin ko (at sa tingin ko lang
naman po Father), inappropriate kung tatawagin na agad nating "Hesus"
ang Anak na hindi pa nagkakatawang tao.]

UNANG UNA, BAGO ISILANG SI JESUS HINDI PA SIYA KILALA NG MGA TAO. MESIYAS AT HARING DARATING LANG ANG TAWAG SA KANYA. TINAWAG DIN SIYANG EMMANUEL NI PROPETA ISAIAS AT ANAK NG TAO NI PROPETA DANIEL.  SUBALIT TAYO AY NABUBUHAY NA SA PANAHONG TAPOS NA ANG KANYANG PAGSILANG. KAYA MAAARI NA NATING TAWAGING JESUS ANG ANAK NG DIOS KAHIT NA WE ARE REFERRING SA DURATION NA HINDI PA SIYA NAGKATAWANG TAO. KASI MALINAW NA PARA SA ATIN NA ANG VERBO AY SI CRISTO, ANG EMMANUEL SI CRISTO AT ANG MESIYAS SI CRISTO AT ANG ANAK NG AMA SI CRISTO JESUS. KAYA MALI ANG RASON MONG IYAN.

[tama naman ang mga INC,
wala pang Hesus sa simula. Pero ang paliwanag natin, dahil nga
ANAK(second person of the trinity) pa lang Siya noon.]

O NO, NO, NO... MALI SILA DUON. MERON NANG JESUS SA SIMULA PA. HINDI PA NGA LANG KILALA NG LUBUSAN NG MGA TAO SA LUMANG TIPAN. MGA TITULO PA LANG ANG PAGKAKAKILALA NILA SA KANYA. PERO MAY JESUS NA. NARUON NA SIYA SA SIMULA PA LANG. PALPAK AT MALI NA SABIHIN MONG WALA PANG JESUS NUON. MAY JESUS NA SUBALIT IBA PA ANG PANGALANG TAWAG SA KANYA NG MGA TAO. BUT THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ALREADY KNOWS THAT THE SON IS JESUS. HE WAS EXISTING WITH GOD FROM THE BEGINNING.

[tama po ba pananaw ko Father? Salamat po sa oras niyo.]

 

 

MAY MGA MALI. SI JESUS CHRIST AY JESUS CHRIST NA NUON PA MAN. NUNG NAGKATAWANG TAO SIYA HE ONLY ASSUMED A HUMAN BODY BUT SIYA NA SI JESUS CHRIST:

 

Hebrews 10:5  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me...

NAGKAROON LANG NG KATAWAN SI JESUS SUBALIT SIYA AY SIYA NA BAGO PA SIYA ISILANG. HINDI SINABING "DATI WALA AKO SUBALIT AKO AY NAGING JESUS NUNG ISILANG AKO." O NO, NO, NO... SA HALIP ITO ANG TINURAN:

John 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

SI JESUS AY SIYA NA BAGO PA SIYA ISILANG!

 

August 2, 2011 4:48 PM

THE ABSURDITY OF THE IGLESIA NI MANALO REASONING Part 2

Christ the King of Kings and Lord of Lords

 

 

Anonymous
said...

Christ clearly said, FATHER... THEY MAY KNOW YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

He did not say, THEY MAY KNOW YOU AND ME THE ONLY TRUE GOD because THEY SHOULD MULTIPLY YOU AND ME AND THE PRODUCT IS ONE GOD.

Where in the Bible it says that we should multiply the Father and Christ?

Where in John 10:30 it says that Christ and the Father are one GOD? Are they ONE entity numerically?

Do you believe that Christ is in INCOGNITO when he was sent by the FATHER?

Do you believe that the Jesus who is the mediator between God and men the same person as the Father to whom He mediates?

John
1:18 (Good News Bible) has an erroneous rendering. If you will study
it further and be truthful to yourself you can see the contradiction
that such translation of the verse will produce.

Moreover, the
true God has a begotten Son whose name is Jesus Christ, If Jesus Christ
is the true God, who is His begotten Son whose name must be Jesus
Christ?

July 3, 2011 8:57 PM

 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[Christ clearly said, FATHER... THEY MAY KNOW YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD.]

JESUS DIDN'T SAY: "I AM A FAKE GOD."

JESUS
PROCLAIMS THE FATHER AS GOD AND THE FATHER PROCLAIMS JESUS AS GOD. AND
JESUS SAID "THE FATHER AND I ARE ONE." SO THEY ARE ONE GOD.

WHEN THE FATHER SAID THAT JESUS IS GOD IT MEANS THAT HE IS GOD. AND THE FATHER IS TRUE TO HIS WORD AND THE FATHER IS THE SOURCE OF TRUTH.

[He did not say, THEY MAY KNOW YOU AND ME THE ONLY TRUE GOD because THEY SHOULD MULTIPLY YOU AND ME AND THE PRODUCT IS ONE GOD.]

HA HA HA... AND HE DIDN'T SAY ALSO "THEY SHOULD ADD ME AND YOU AS 1 + 1 =2. HA HA HA...

JESUS SAID THAT THE FATHER IS ONE TRUE GOD BUT HE DIDN'T SAY THAT HE IS ONE FAKE GOD.

THE
FATHER DECLARED THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THEREFORE IT IS TRUE. JESUS IS
TRUE GOD. OTHERWISE THE FATHER WILL NO LONGER BE GOD BUT A LIAR AND
BEARER OF FALSEHOOD. I RATHER BELIEVE GOD RATHER THAN YOU OR FELIX
MANALO.

[Where in the Bible it says that we should multiply the Father and Christ?]

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD USE 'ADDITION' FOR THE FATHER AND THE SON?

THE
BIBLE SAYS THE FATHER AND CHRIST ARE ONE. SO WE ARE SAYING THEY ARE
ONE. YOU ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE TWO. YOUR POSITION IS DEMONIC. WHEN
THE BIBLE SAYS ONE, IT IS ONE... NOT TWO. TO CLAIM OTHERWISE IS DEMONIC.

THERE
IS A STATEMENT IN THE BIBLE THAT JESUS IS GOD BUT NO STATEMENT THAT
JESUS IS "NOT GOD". OUR POSITION IS SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE AND YOURS IS
NOT. 

[Where in John 10:30 it says that Christ and the Father are one GOD?]

WHERE IN JOHN 10:30 IT SAYS THT CHRIST AND THE FATHER ARE NOT ONE GOD? IT SAYS THEY ARE ONE.

THE
FATHER IS GOD ACCORDING TO JESUS. THEN THE FATHER DECLARES THAT JESUS
IS GOD. SO, DOES IT MAKES TWO GODS. NO. BECAUSE THE FATHER AND THE SON
ARE "ONE". SO, ONE GOD NOT TWO GODS.

[Are they ONE entity numerically?]

THEY
ARE ONE. THAT'S ALL. ITS UP TO YOU IF YOU WILL USE THE TERM
'NUMERICALLY' TO THEIR ONENESS. NO MATTER WHAT THE CONCLUSION IS THEY ARE NOT TWO BUT ONE.

YOU USED 1 + 1 = 2. WHERE CAN YOU FIND
IN THE BIBLE THAT THE FATHER AND JESUS ARE TWO? JESUS DIDN'T SAY "THE
FATHER AND I ARE TWO". HA HA HA... NO, NO, NO... NADA, NUNCA, NEVER...
IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET. HA HA HA... JESUS SAID "THE FATHER AND I ARE
ONE." SO WE SAY THEY ARE ONE. HA HA HA...

[Do you believe that Christ is in INCOGNITO when he was sent by the FATHER?]

IT
WAS A MERE EXAMPLE. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT EXAMPLE ITS UP TO
YOU. I CAN CHANGE MY EXAMPLE IF YOU WANT BUT I THINK ITS USELESS FOR
YOU. BECAUSE YOU ALREADY DENY WHAT GOD THE FATHER HAD DECLARED THAT
JESUS IS GOD. AND FOR YOU WHAT IS ONE IS NOT ONE BUT TWO. HA HA HA...

[Do you believe that the Jesus who is the mediator between God and men the same person as the Father to whom He mediates?]

FIRST,
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PERSON? WILL YOU PLEASE DEFINE WHAT IS PERSON FOR
ME AND FOR OUR READERS? PLEASE DO GIVE US THE OFFICIAL DEFINITION AND
MEANING OF 'PERSON' ACCORDING TO THE TEACHING OF FELIX MANALO THE
SO-CALLED ANGEL WHOSE INTESTINES BURST OUT LIKE JUDAS ISCARIOT. HA HA
HA...

[John 1:18 (Good News Bible) has an erroneous rendering. If
you will study it further and be truthful to yourself you can see the
contradiction that such translation of the verse will produce.]

REALLY?
HA HA HA... HOW COME YOUR INC MINISTERS ON TV REGULARLY USE THAT
TRANSLATION? SO, WHAT IS THE CORRECT BIBLE TO USE? DO WANT THE LAMSA
TRANSLATION? THE KING JAMES VERSION? HA HA HA...

WHAT IS THE
OFFICIAL BIBLE OF THE IGLESIA NI MANALO? HA HA HA... EVEN MANALO USED
THE BIBLE TRANSLATED BY CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS WHICH LATER HE CLAIMED
TO BE FALSE. HA HA HA...

YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE YOUR OWN BIBLE
TRANSLATION. WHY? YOU WERE AFRAID TO COMMIT MISTAKES AND YOU LACK
SCHOLARS TO DO SO. HE HE HE...

[Moreover, the true God has a
begotten Son whose name is Jesus Christ, If Jesus Christ is the true
God, who is His begotten Son whose name must be Jesus Christ?]

INDEED
JESUS IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER BUT BEING THE BEGOTTEN SON DOES
NOT MEAN "HE IS NOT GOD". ACTUALLY, IT WAS AS THE BEGOTTEN SON THAT THE
FATHER CALLED JESUS GOD. READ AGAIN:


Heb 1:8 But UNTO THE
SON he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of
righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

HA HA HA... SO, THE BIBLE CATEGORICALLY REFERS TO 'THE SON' AS THE ONE DECLARED BY THE FATHER TO BE 'GOD'. HA HA HA...

NOW, WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT "THE SON IS NOT GOD"? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. 

July 3, 2011 9:24 PM

THE ABSURDITY OF THE IGLESIA NI MANALO REASONING Part 1

The Lord Jesus - Our Lord and God

 

 

Anonymous
said...

Christ is not the one true God because he clearly said that the Father is the only true God.

Moreover, it is also clearly stated in Bible that JesusChrist is the mediator between God and men.

So
Christ is not the one true God because the one who mediates and the one
to whom he mediates could not be referring to only one entity? They
must be different? Are they not?

If Christ is also God, it will
follow that you have two Gods and not just one true God! It is just a
simple addition: 1 + 1 = 2. It is ABSURD to think that 1 + 1 = 1

July 2, 2011 11:18 PM

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[Christ is not the one true God because he clearly said that the Father is the only true God.]

THE FATHER CALLED JESUS 'GOD' CATEGORICALLY AND EXPLICITLY:

Heb
1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and
ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

YOUR POSITION MAKES GOD THE FATHER A LIAR.

[Moreover, it is also clearly stated in Bible that JesusChrist is the mediator between God and men.]

JESUS IS MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN BECAUSE JESUS IS THE GOD WHO BECAME MAN:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John
1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld
his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of
grace and truth.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only
Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him
known. [Good News Bible]

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS GOD AND
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS MAN BECAUSE JESUS IS THE GOD WHO BECAME
MAN.THE BIBLE NEVER SAID THAT "JESUS IS NOT GOD". WHERE? CHAPTER AND
VERSE PLEASE.

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN
GOD AND MAN BUT NO STATEMENT THAT JESUS IS 'MAN ONLY'. WHERE? CHAPTER
AND VERSE PLEASE.

[So Christ is not the one true God because the
one who mediates and the one to whom he mediates could not be referring
to only one entity? They must be different? Are they not?]

CHRIST IS THE ONE TRUE GOD BECAUSE HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE:

John 10:30 The Father and I are one.

THE
MEDIATOR AND THE ONE TO WHOM HE IS MEDIATING COULD BE THE SAME PERSON.
IF A SUPER RICH MAN WILL GO TO HIS WORKERS INCOGNITO LIKE A SIMPLE
EMPLOYEES THEN HE CAN MEDIATE BETWEEN THE EMPLOYEES AND THE OWNER
DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE IS THE SAME BEING.

[If Christ is also God, it will follow that you have two Gods and not just one true God!]

IF
THE BIBLE AND JESUS ARE NOT LIARS IN SAYING THAT JESUS AND THE FATHER
ARE ONE THEN THERE ARE NO TWO GODS BUT ONE. YOU ARE THE ONE LYING NOT
JESUS AND THE BIBLE. SORRY FOR YOU.

[It is just a simple addition: 1 + 1 = 2. It is ABSURD to think that 1 + 1 = 1]

YOUR
MISTAKE IS NOT ABOUT ABSURDITY BUT ABOUT STUPIDITY. GOD IS THE SUPREME
BEING, THE HIGHEST AND GREATEST BEING. THEREFORE YOU SHOULD USE THE
HIGHEST MODE OF MATHEMATICS FOR HIM.

THERE ARE 4 MODES BY ORDER OR DEGREE OF IMPORTANCE:

4. SUBSTRACTION
3. DIVISION
2. ADDITION
1. MULTIPLICATION

THE HIGHEST IS NOT 'ADDITION' BUT 'MULTIPLICATION'. SO, IT MUST BE THE ONE TO BE USED FOR GOD. SO THEN,

1 X 1 = ONE (1)

I REPREAT. YOUR MISTAKE IS NOT ON ABSURDITY BUT ON STUPIDITY. 

July 3, 2011 6:36 PM

IS JESUS LESSER THAN GOD THE FATHER?

The Lord of lords and King of kings

 

 

 

Anonymous
said...

Father please help me i had a discussion with a jehova and i was proving
that God and Jesus are one, i explained to him that in verses when
jesus said that the father is greater than i that he was speaking in
terms of his human standing compared to God and that dosent decrease the
nature of jesus as God. then he cited john 8:27-30 where it said that
jesus is teaching what the father has "TAUGHT HIM", he said that when he
was not yet made man God taught God the Son, proving his point that
jesus is lesser than God. how can i answer that. thanks father!

June 25, 2011 5:12 PM

 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[Father please help me i had a discussion with a jehova and i was
proving that God and Jesus are one, i explained to him that in verses
when jesus said that the father is greater than i that he was speaking
in terms of his human standing compared to God and that dosent decrease
the nature of jesus as God. ]

YOUR EXPLANATION IS CORRECT. JESUS
IS INDEED EQUAL WITH THE FATHER BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE AS GOD. WORD FOR
WORD JESUS IS CALLED GOD IN THE BIBLE. AND GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF
DECLARED AS SUCH:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne,
O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre
of thy kingdom.

GOD THE FATHER DECLARED THE DIVINITY OF JESUS, THAT HE IS ABOVE THE ANGELS AND THAT HIS KINGSHIP AND KINGDOM IS FOREVER.

THAT STATEMENT OF JESUS IS AN ACT OF HUMILITY:

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

JESUS
MADE HIMSELF LOW AND NOTHING. HE APPEARED ON EARTH AS A SON OF
CARPENTER AND WAS SUBJECTED TO SIN AND DEATH NOT BECAUSE HE IS LESSER
BUT AS A MANIFESTATION OF HIS GREAT HUMILITY AND SACRIFICE FOR THE SINS
OF THE WORLD. AS ADAM AND EVE WANTED TO BE LIKE GOD [cf. GENESIS 3:5] SO
JESUS COUNTERED IT BY GREAT HUMILITY. JESUS WAS TEACHING US HUMILITY
THAT WE SHOULD HUMBLE BEFORE GOD.

[then he cited john 8:27-30
where it said that jesus is teaching what the father has "TAUGHT HIM",
he said that when he was not yet made man God taught God the Son,
proving his point that jesus is lesser than God. how can i answer that.
thanks father!]

IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN JOHN 8:27-30 THAT JESUS
IS LESSER THAN GOD THE FATHER. NO, NO, NO... NOTHING. WHERE IS THAT?
CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HE HE HE...

ACTUALLY JESUS WAS SAYING
THAT THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN HIM HE WAS SPEAKING IN HUMILITY. THAT
VIRTUE HE LEARNED FROM THE FATHER AS STATED IN PHILIPPIANS 2:7-8. JESUS
LEARNED HUMILITY FROM THE FATHER AND NOT THE INVENTED DOCTRINE OF
CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL THE FAKE PROPHET WHO TAUGHT THAT JESUS IS LESSER
THAN GOD THAN GOD THE FATHER.

AFTER JESUS MANIFESTED SUPREME HUMILITY ON THE CROSS ST. PAUL CONTINUED AND SAID THAT THE FATHER EXALTED JESUS ABOVE ALL:

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 

 
Php
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 

 
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

SEE,
THE FATHER HIGHLY EXALTED HIM AND GAVE HIM THE NAME ABOVE EVERY OTHER
NAME. WELL, THERE IS NO NAME GREATER THAN THE NAME OF GOD. THUS, HE IS
EQUAL WITH GOD. 



 ANOTHER THING THAT PASSAGE THAT HE CITED DOES NOT SUPPORT HIS CLAIM BUT RATHER IT IS SUPPORTIVE OF OUR POSITION. LET US CHECK IT VERSE BY VERSE:

Joh 8:27  They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 

 

JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FATHER.

Joh 8:28  Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 

 

JESUS SAID THAT WHEN HE IS LIFTED UP THEN THEY WILL REALIZE THAT 'I AM' HE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT REFERS TO THE DIVINITY OF JESUS. 'I AM' IS THE NAME OF GOD. IT IS WRITTEN IN GREEK BUT IT IS THE NAME OF GOD 'I AM'. JESUS HERE CLAIMS THAT WHEN HE IS RAISED ON THE CROSS THEN THE DISCIPLES WILL REALIZE THAT HE IS YHWH. HE IS GOD. THEN, JESUS ADDED THAT HE GOT IT FROM THE FATHER.

 

SO, WHAT JESUS LEARNED FROM THE FATHER BASED ON THIS PASSAGE IS NO OTHER THAN HE IS 'I AM'. HE IS YHWH. HE IS GOD. THIS IS SUPPORTED BY HEBREWS 1:8 AND JOHN 1:1.

 
Joh 8:29  And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 

 

SO, JESUS IS DOING THINGS TO PLEASE THE FATHER. SO WHEN JESUS SAID THAT  HE IS 'I AM', THE IS YHWH THEN THAT IS PLEASING TO THE FATHER. HE SAID THAT THE FATHER IS ALWAYS WITH HIM. THAT IS IN REFERENCE TO JOHN 1:1 THAT FROM THE BEGINNING THE LOGOS WAS WITH GOD AND THE LOGOS IS GOD. 

 
Joh 8:30  As he spake these words, many believed on him.

 

WE CATHOLICS BELIEVED JESUS LIKE THE APOSTLES. WE BELIEVED THAT JESUS IS GOD. HE IS 'I AM'. HE IS EQUAL IN BEING GOD WITH THE FATHER. HE IS YHWH. THE JW ARE NOT BELIEVING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T COME FROM GOD. THEY ARE SAKSI NI BAHO! HA HA HA...

June 25, 2011 7:08 PM

MGA SAGOT SA ARGUMENTO NG MGA MANOLISTA SA PAGKA-DIOS NG ATING PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO

The Lord Jesus ascended into heaven in full glory and in the same manner He will return again as King of Kings and Lord of Lords...

Anonymous
said...

FATHER GOOD DAY PO,,,

PAKISAGOT PO NG TANONG KO PO ANO PO B ANG NASA GAWA 2 :36???

GINAWA HO BANG LORD NG DIOS SI CRISTO O HINDI??


TAPOS NALITO AKO NUNG PINOST KO YUNG ISAIAH 9:6 TUNGKOL YUNG SA PAGTAWAG NG ALMIGHTY GOD NG AMA KAY CRISTO...


NABARA ATA AKO NG ISANG IGLESIA NI MANALO TUNGKOL DYN..

DHL MAS MAKAPANGYARIHAN N DAW SI CRISTO KESA SA AMA DAHIL SA WORD N ALMIGHTY GOD,,

KUNG MAKAPANGYARIHANG DIOS AY SI CRISTO AY AMA B AY HINDI N??

June 23, 2011 4:29 PM

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[FATHER GOOD DAY PO,,,

PAKISAGOT PO NG TANONG KO PO ANO PO B ANG NASA GAWA 2 :36???

GINAWA HO BANG LORD NG DIOS SI CRISTO O HINDI??]

WELL, BASAHIN NATIN ANG TALATANG IYAN:

Act
2:36 "All the people of Israel, then, are to know for sure that this
Jesus, whom you crucified, is the one that God has made Lord and
Messiah!"

HE HE HE... UNA SA LAHAT ANO BA ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG
"GINAWA" DIYAN SA TALATA? ITO BA AY TULAD NG ISANG KOTSE NA GINAWA?
INVENTED OR MADE OUT OF MATERIAL THINGS? HINDI. ANG IBIG SABIHIN NIYAN
GOD THE FATHER BESTOWED THE HIGHEST HONOR TO HIS SON JESUS.

IBIG SABIHIN BA NIYAN ANG KARANGALAN, KADAKILAAN AT KAPANGYARIHAN NI CRISTO AY HINDI KANYA DAHIL BIGAY LANG NG AMA? HINDI KANYA TALAGA YON. GOD THE FATHER GAVE TO JESUS WHAT BELONGS TO HIM AND JESUS IN RETURN GIVES TO THE FATHER WHAT HE HAS. THEY ARE BOTH GIVING TO EACH OTHER IN RECIPROCATION OF LOVE:

John 16:15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

John 17:10  All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

PAREHO NILANG TAGLAY ANG PAGKA-DIOS AT ANG LORDSHIP.

IBIG
BANG SABIHIN NIYAN E MAS MABABA SI JESUS SA AMA? HINDI. WALANG NAKASULAT
NA GANYAN. DAHIL ANG AMA AT SI CRISTO AY BOTH LORD AND GOD BECAUSE THEY
ARE ONE GOD.

IBIG BANG SABIHIN AY DATI HINDI LORD SI CRISTO THEN
LATER GINAWA LANG NA LORD? KAGAYA NG DATI HINDI PRESIDENTE THEN NAGING
PRESIDENTE? HINDI RIN. DAHIL ANG PAGIGING LORD NI JESUS AY HINDI
NAKAUGAT SA KANYANG PAGKA-DIOS NA SA SIMULA PA AY SIYA NA:

John 1:1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

ISA PA, WHEN DID GOD DECLARE THAT JESUS IS LORD? FIRST, FROM ETERNITY. HE DID THAT IN HEAVEN IN ETERNAL DECLARATION:

Heb
1:8 About the Son, however, God said: "Your kingdom, O God, will last
forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.

SO,
THAT IS A DECLARATION THAT JESUS IS GOD WHOSE KINGDOM IS FOREVER AND EVER.
WHAT IS THAT? ETERNAL - WITHOUT BEGINNING AND WITHOUT END. THAT IS WHY
JESUS IS ALSO ETERNAL:

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

JESUS
IS ETERNAL. HE IS LORD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. JESUS IS 'THE SAME'
EVERSINCE. WALANG PAGBABAGO. KUNG LORD SIYA NGAYON, LORD DIN SIYA NUON
AT SA DARATING.

DURING HIS STAY ON EARTH HE CLOTHED HIMSELF WITH
HUMILITY BY NOT SHOWING HIS FULL DIVINITY. BUT HE REMAINS AS GOD AND
LORD. BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE ETERNAL - BOTH ARE ALPHA AND OMEGA
- THE BEGINNING AND THE END:

THE FATHER:

Rev 1:8 "I am the first and the last," says the Lord God Almighty, who is, who was, and who is to come.

THE SON:

Rev
1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell down at his feet like a dead man. He
placed his right hand on me and said, "Don't be afraid! I am the first
and the last. I am the living one! I was dead, but now I
am alive forever and ever. I have authority over death and the world of
the dead.

AND,

Rev 22:12-13 "Listen!" says Jesus. "I am
coming soon! I will bring my rewards with me, to give to each one
according to what he has done. I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

THE
ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS IS "THE LIVING ONE" - THE ALPHA AND THE
OMEGA. HE IS ALSO THE SAME ONE WHO WILL RETURN TO GIVE HIS REWARDS. THAT
IS JESUS.


[TAPOS NALITO AKO NUNG PINOST KO YUNG ISAIAH 9:6 TUNGKOL YUNG SA PAGTAWAG NG ALMIGHTY GOD NG AMA KAY CRISTO...]

BAKIT? SAAN KA NALILITO?


[NABARA ATA AKO NG ISANG IGLESIA NI MANALO TUNGKOL DYN..]

SA PAANONG PARAAN?

[DHL MAS MAKAPANGYARIHAN N DAW SI CRISTO KESA SA AMA DAHIL SA WORD N ALMIGHTY GOD,,]

HA
HA HA... NAPAKA-TANGA NAMAN NG MANOLISTA NA IYON. MANOL TALAGA. HA HA
HA... ANG SABI SI CRISTO AY ALMIGHTY GOD. WALANG SINABI NA SI CRISTO AY
MORE POWERFUL THAN GOD THE FATHER OR THAT HE IS GREATER THAN GOD THE
FATHER. IT MEANS NA ANG GOD THE FATHER AT SI JESUS AY IISANG DIOS AT
EQUAL SILA IN POWER AND DIGNITY:

JOHN 10:30 "AKO AT ANG AMA AY IISA"

SAAN SILA ISA? THEY ARE ONE AS 'ALMIGHTY GOD'. ONE IN DIVINITY... ONE IN POWER, GLORY AND HONOR.

[KUNG MAKAPANGYARIHANG DIOS AY SI CRISTO AY AMA B AY HINDI N??]

HINDI.
KASI SI CRISTO AT ANG AMA AY IISANG DIOS. KAYA WALANG MAS MATAAS O MAS
MAKAPANGYARIHAN SA KANILA. USING AN ANALOGY, SINO ANG MAS
MAKAPANGYARIHAN SA PILIPINAS SI NOYNOY BA O SI BENIGNO SIMEON AQUINO
III? ANG SAGOT PAREHO. KASI IISA SILA. 

June 23, 2011 8:45 PM