KATANUNGAN HINGGIL SA MAINGAY NA PAGSAMBA SA NOVUS ORDO MASS

King David playing the String instrument for the glory of God

 

Anonymous
said...

Dea Fathe,
pahabol naman oh.. Ok lang po ba na sa gumamit ng
Drum,elstric guitar at iba pang maingay na instruminto during th Novus
Ordo Mass?Maingay kasi feeling ko hindi ako nagsimba parang nasa looob
ako ng diskuhan o Bar...

Maraming salamat po...

September 5, 2011 4:21 AM

 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

ANG HALOS LAHAT NG NOVUS ORDO MASS AY ORGAN ANG GINAGAMIT AT HINDI
ELECTRIC GUITAR AND DRUMS. EWAN KO KUNG SAANG SIMBAHAN IYANG PINAGSASABI
MO.

ANG GUMAGAMIT NG MGA DRUMS AT ELECTRIC GUITAR SA NOVUS ORDO
MASSES AY MGA CATHOLIC CHARISMATICS NA MAHILIG SA GANONG URI NG
PAGSAMBA. KUNG AYAW MO NG GANON E DI WAG KANG MAGSIMBA KASAMA ANG MGA
CHARISMATICS. HE HE HE... SIMPLE LANG IYON. GAMITIN ANG UTAK.

TUNGKOL
NAMAN DUON SA DISCOHAN AT BAR, MAHIYA KA NAMAN SA SARILI MO. ANG MGA
CHARISMATIC GROUPS NA GUMAGAMIT NG ELECTRIC GUITAR AY MAGAGANDANG SONGS
OF PRAISE AND WORSHIP ANG KINAKANTA AT HINDI PANG DISCO O PANG BAR.
SIGURO MAHILIG KANG PUMASOK SA DISCO AT SA BAR KAYA MALASWA ANG UTAK MO.
KAHIT NA BUMILI KA NG KANTA NG MGA CHARISMATICS VERY BIBLICAL AT
MAGAGANDA. HINDI PANG BAR AT HINDI PANG DISCO KUNDI PANG JOYFUL PRAISE. 

September 5, 2011 11:20 PM

KATANUNGAN TUNGKOL SA NOVUS ORDO MASS AT VATICAN II

The Lord Jesus in the Synagogue of Nazareth

 

 

Anonymous
said...

fr. itong part ng novus ordo mass incorporated daw po sa talmudic Judaism: Novus Ordo "Preparation of the Gifts":

Blessed
are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this
bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made. It will
become for us the bread of life.

Blessed are you, Lord, God of
all creation. Through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of
the vine and work of human hands. It will become our spiritual drink.

Talmudic Benedictions for Bread and Wine:

"Blessed
art thou, O Lord, our God, King of the universe, who bringest forth
bread from the earth." (Babylonian Talmud, tractate Berakoth 38a)

"Blessed
art thou, O Lord, our God, King of the universe, who givest us this
fruit of the vine." (Babylonian Talmud, tractate Berakoth 35a)
source: maurice pinay blog

Fr. parang creepy po eh
-Ray

June 20, 2011 9:50 PM

Anonymous
said...

eto pa po Fr. tungkol po daw po sa Vatican II at sa "eclipse of the church"

"16.
The followers of Antichrist will be marked with a character in
imitation of the sign that St. John saw upon the foreheads of the
servants of God. This indicates that Antichrist and his prophet will
introduce ceremonies to imitate the Sacraments of the Church. In fact
there will be a complete organization ―― a church of Satan set up in
opposition to the Church of Christ. Satan will assume the part of God
the Father; Antichrist will be honored as Saviour, and his prophet will
usurp the role of Pope. Their ceremonies will counterfeit the Sacraments
and their works of magic be heralded as miracles. A similar project was
attempted in the fourth century when Julian the Apostate counterfeited
Catholic worship with pagan ceremonies in honor of Mithras and Cybele.
He established a priesthood and instituted ceremonies in imitation of
Baptism and Confirmation."

Rev. E. Sylvester Berry, D.D.
The Apocalypse of St. John
Discussion on Apoc: xiii, 16.
John W. Winterich, Columbus, Ohio, 1921

-Ray 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[fr. itong part ng novus ordo mass incorporated daw po sa talmudic Judaism: Novus Ordo "Preparation of the Gifts":]

THAT IS ANOTHER PROOF THAT THE ACCUSER IS IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE ITSELF.

[Blessed
are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this
bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made. It will
become for us the bread of life.

Blessed are you, Lord, God of
all creation. Through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of
the vine and work of human hands. It will become our spiritual drink.]


HERE IS THE BIBLICAL FOUNDATION OF THAT ANCIENT AND BEAUTIFUL PRAYER
WHICH IS JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN IN ORIGIN AS PROVEN BY Catechetics Online:

Liturgy of the Eucharist

*The gifts are brought to the altar. These include the bread and wine and the offering collected from the people. (Malachi 3:10)

Priest:
Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we
have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have
made. (Eccl. 3:13) It will become for us the bread of life. (John 6:35)

People: Blessed be God forever. (Ps 68:36)

Priest:
Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we
have this wine to offer, fruit of the vine and work of human hands. It
will become our spiritual drink. (Luke 22:17-18)

People: Blessed be God forever. (Ps 68:36)

Priest: Pray, brethren, that our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father. (Heb. 12:28)

People:
May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and
glory of his name, for our sake and the good of all his Church. (Ps
50:23)

HE HE HE... 

[Talmudic Benedictions for Bread and Wine:

"Blessed art thou, O
Lord, our God, King of the universe, who bringest forth bread from the
earth." (Babylonian Talmud, tractate Berakoth 38a)]

THIS IS VERY
DECEPTIVE AND CLEVERLY DONE. HE HE HE... THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD IS PART
OF THE ANCIENT INSTRUCTIONS OF THE JEWS WHICH THEY DEVELOPED DURING THE
BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITY. IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY WORSHIP OF THE BABYLONIAN
gods BUT A REAL INSTRUCTION OF FAITH AND WORSHIP ON THE ONE TRUE GOD.

BY
USING THIS THE NOVUS ORDO IS ALL THE MORE GLORIFIED RATHER THAN
DEMEANED. BECAUSE THE ROOT OF OUR CHRISTIAN FAITH IS JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN IN
ORIGIN. IF THAT PRAYER IS SIMILAR TO THE TALMUDIC PRAYERS IT MEANS THAT
IT IS TRULY A PRAYER ADDRESSED TO GOD THE FATHER... TO YHWH - THE
ELOHIM, THE EL SHADDAI.

THE ACCUSER IS STUPID AT BEST. WHY?
BECAUSE THE ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHARE WITH
JUDAISM. AND THE LAST SUPPER IS ESSENTIALLY CONNECTED WITH THE PASSOVER
SACRIFICE OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD, THE GRAPE WINE AND THE SACRIFICE OF
THE LAMB. IF THAT PRAYER IS SIMILAR TO THE TALMUDIC PRAYER THEN SO MUCH
THE BETTER. BECAUSE THE MASS IS ALSO PATTERNED AFTER THE SYNAGOGUE
WORSHIP AND INTERCONNECTED WITH THE TEMPLE WORSHIP IN JERUSALEM AND EVEN FROM THE 'MEETING TENT' WORSHIP DURING THE TIME OF MOSES AND AARON.

THE ACCUSER
IS IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE BELIEFS AND TEACHINGS OF THE
JEWS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE 'TYPE' OF CHRIST AND OF THE HOLY MASS.
THEY ARE FORESHADOWS OF THE SACRIFICE OF THE MESSIAH. THUS, THE PRAYER
OVER THE GIFTS ECHOES THE TALMUDIC PRAYERS OF THE JEWS BUT CONTAINS NEW
TESTAMENT ELEMENT SUCH AS 'THE BREAD OF LIFE' DISCOURSE OF JESUS IN THE
GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ST. JOHN, CHAPTER 6.

["Blessed art thou, O
Lord, our God, King of the universe, who givest us this fruit of the
vine." (Babylonian Talmud, tractate Berakoth 35a)
source: maurice pinay blog]

AY
NAKU MAURICE PINAY MAGTINDA KA NALANG NANG TINAPAY... LALO NA NANG
MONAY PARA UMUNLAD ANG IYONG BUHAY AT NG IKAY HINDI PARANG KALANSAY NA
NAKALIBING SA HUKAY. HA HA HA...

[Fr. parang creepy po eh
-Ray]

CREEPY
SA MGA IGNORANTE SA BIBLIA. SA MGA NAGBABASA NG BIBLIA IT MANIFESTS THE
HARMONY OF THE JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN FAITH. HE HE HE... SIEMPRE DAPAT LANG
DAHIL SI CRISTO AT SI MAMA MARY AT ANG MGA APOSTOLES AY MGA JUDIO. AT
HINDI LANG BASTA JUDIO KUNDI MGA FAITHFUL AND DEVOTED JEWS DURING THEIR
LIFETIME. BOBO SA OLD TESTAMENT YANG MAURICE NA YAN. 

June 21, 2011 6:39 PM

 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[eto pa po Fr. tungkol po daw po sa Vatican II at sa "eclipse of the church"]

THIS IS A PIECE OF JUNK. IT HAS NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER. THE ECLIPSE IS EXISTING IN THE MIND OF THE ACCUSER NOT IN THE NOVUS ORDO OR OF THE VATICAN II.

["16.
The followers of Antichrist will be marked with a character in
imitation of the sign that St. John saw upon the foreheads of the
servants of God.]

THIS IS BEING USED BY ANTI-CATHOLICS SUCH AS
THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS AND THE IGLESIA NI MANALO WHO ARE BOTH
IGNORANT THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS ALSO HAVE SIGNS ON THEIR FOREHEADS.
OF COURSE THE SIGN OF THE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST IS THE SIGN OF THE CROSS:

Ezek
9:3-6 ‘Ang kaluwalhatian ng Diyos ng Israel ay tumaas sa mga KERUBIN na
dating kinaroroonan patungo sa pintuan ng templo at tinawag ang taong
nakasuot ng lino at sa kanyang tagiliran ay may hawak na sisidlan ng
panulat. Sinabi sa kanya ng Panginoon, lumibot ka sa lunsod, lumibot ka
sa Jerusalem at TATAKAN NG KRUS ang mga noon ng mga taong humihibik at
umiiyak dala ng lahat ng kasuklam-suklam na bagay na ginagawa sa loob ng
lunsod…Patayin ninyo ang matanda, binata, dalaga, bata at babae
hanggang sa malipol ang lahat, subalit HUWAG NINYONG GALAWIN ANG SINO
MANG MAY TATAK NA KRUS.’ [ABB-Abriol]

Ezek 9:4 [Jerusalem Bible/ New Jerusalem Bible] “Mark a CROSS on their foreheads”

 
“Trace a CROSS on their forehead” [The Community Bible – Catholic Pastoral Edition]
 

The Fulfillment of the Prophecy

Rev
7:3 ‘Saying, HURT NOT the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till
we have SEALED the servants of our God IN THERE FOREHEADS.’

Rev
14:1 ‘And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with
him an hundred and forty and four thousand, having HIS FATHER’S NAME
WRITTEN IN THEIR FOREHEADS.’

In Ang Biblia: ‘ang apat na put apat
na libong may pangalan niya (Cordero), at pangalan ng kanyang Ama, na
nasusulat sa kanikaniyang NOO.’

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his
face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. [ANG BIBLIA: At makikita
nila ang kaniyang mukha; at ang kaniyang pangalan ay sasa kanilang mga
noo.]

• What is the Mark being sealed on Catholics’ forehead
during Baptism, every Gospel Reading in the Mass, every Ash Wednesday or
every Signing of the Cross? The Name of the One and Triune God!

Mt 28:19 ‘in THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.’

[This indicates that Antichrist and his prophet will introduce ceremonies to imitate the Sacraments of the Church.]

THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH DIDN'T INTRODUCE CEREMONIES. IT SIMPLY GIVES THE
ANCIENT CEREMONIES COMING FROM THE APOSTOLIC TRADITION OF THE CHURCH.
THE PAULINE MASS, JUST LIKE THE TLM WHEN IT WAS NEW DURING THE 16TH
CENTURY, WAS FORMED FROM THE PREVIOUS LITURGICAL TREASURY OF THE CHURCH.

THE ONE THAT IMITATED THE HOLY MASS IN HONOR OF SATAN IS THE BLACK MASS OF SATANISM.

[ In fact there will be a complete organization ―― a church of Satan set up in opposition to the Church of Christ.]

THAT CHURCH OF SATAN ARE THE SCHISMATICS AND THE HERETICS. I THINK THE SSPX AND THE SEDEVACANTISTS FIT THAT DESCRIPTION.


[Satan will assume the part of God the Father; Antichrist will be
honored as Saviour, and his prophet will usurp the role of Pope.]

IT
IS OBVIOUS THAT THE AUTHOR IS IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH SATAN
BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE FULL PLAN OF ACTION OF SATAN. THAT ONE MUST BE AN
INSIDER IN THE DEMONIC COUNCIL OF HELL WHERE LEFEBVRE NOW SITS IN
ETERNAL DAMNATION FOR DYING EXCOMMUNICATED.

JOHN XXIII AND JOHN PAUL THE GREAT ARE NOW BEATIFIED WHILE THE CORPSE OF LEFEBVRE AND THE SEDEVACANTIST LEADERS ARE ROTTING.

[ Their ceremonies will counterfeit the Sacraments and their works of magic be heralded as miracles.]

THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH CONDEMNS THE USE OF MAGIC AND THERE IS NO MAGIC IN THE
PAULINE MASS. THIS AUTHOR IS OBVIOUSLY INTOXICATED BY ROMAN CIRCUS AND
CARNIVAL. HERE IS THE OFFICIAL STAND OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH ON DIVINATION, MAGIC AND SORCERY:

Divination and magic

2115
God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a
sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into
the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up
all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a
lack of responsibility.

2116 All forms of divination are to be
rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other
practices falsely supposed to "unveil" the future.48 Consulting
horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots,
the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a
desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other
human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They
contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117
All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult
powers, so as to place them at one's service and have a supernatural
power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their
health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices
are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of
harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of
demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies
divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the
faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not
justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of
another's credulity. 

THAT IS THE REASON WHY THAT ACCUSATION FALLS FLAT. IF THERE IS A DEMON
IN DISGUISE IT IS NEITHER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NOR THE POPE BUT THAT
AUTHOR.

THE SAINTLY FIGURES OF MODERN TIMES LOVED AND RESPECTED
AND PARTICIPATED IN THE PAULINE MASS SUCH AS MOTHER TERESA OF CALCUTTA
AND SIS. LUCIA OF FATIMA. THEY BOTH REGULARLY AND DAILY ATTENDED THE
NOVUS ORDO DURING THEIR LIFETIME.

[A similar project was
attempted in the fourth century when Julian the Apostate counterfeited
Catholic worship with pagan ceremonies in honor of Mithras and Cybele.]

JULIAN
THE APOSTATE WAS A PAGAN AND HE NEVER BECAME POPE. NO POPE HAS EVER
TAUGHT HERESY IN AN OFFICIAL MANNER BECAUSE JESUS PROMISED THAT THE GATE
OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST THE BLESSED PETER [MT. 16:18]. TO
CLAIM THAT SATAN SUCCESSFULLY REIGNED IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ON
SEVERAL SUCCESSIONS OF POPE IS PREPOSTEROUS AND DEMONIC BECAUSE IT MAKES
THE SOLEMN PROMISE OF JESUS USELESS AND INEFFECTIVE AGAINST THE WILES
AND GUILE OF THE EVIL ONE. THE REASONING IS PATHETIC AND HERETICAL AT
BEST.

[He established a priesthood and instituted ceremonies in imitation of Baptism and Confirmation."]

HA
HA HA... THE BAPTISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A TRUE BAPTISM WITH THE
TRINITARIAN FORMULA GIVEN BY THE LORD IN MATTHEW 28:19 AND WATER. TO CLAIM THAT IT IS AN IMITATION SMUCK OF
STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE.

[Rev. E. Sylvester Berry, D.D.
The Apocalypse of St. John
Discussion on Apoc: xiii, 16.
John W. Winterich, Columbus, Ohio, 1921]

WHO
IS THIS ANIMAL? I DON'T KNOW THIS DEVIL! 



THE VICAR OF CHRIST AND THE SUPREME PONTIFF OF THE
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS POPE BENEDICT XVI. I DON'T RECOGNIZE THE
AUTHORITY OF THIS ONE UNLESS HE IS IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF
CHRIST.

[-Ray]

RAY, I HOPE YOU WILL NOT ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE CONTAMINATED BY THESE STUPIDITIES.

IS THE CHURCH PROHIBITED IN ALLOWING WOMEN TO READ DURING THE MASS?

St. Therese of the Child Jesus

 

 

 

Anonymous
said...

fr, tungkol po sa babaing nagbabsa ng readings sa misa at sa EMHC's
St.
Paul forbade women to speak in church. "Let women keep silence in the
churches, for it is not permitted them to speak, but let them be
submissive, as the Law also says...it is unseemly for a woman to speak
in church" (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
Many Novus Ordo churches ignore
this rule - they ignore a direct command from St. Paul - a man much
greater than they could ever hope to be - and sadly, women read the Holy
Scriptures in most Novus Ordo churches. In fact, at the church I
attend, it is quite unusual to see a man as a lay reader.
Women - in
fact all laypeople - have no right to read the Scriptures at Mass and
even less of a right to administer Holy Communion to the faithful. The
Council of Trent states:

"If anyone says that all Christians
[lay people] have the power to administer the word [read at Mass] and
all the sacraments [give out communion], let him be anathema."
[Canon 10, Session VII, March 3, 1547]
source: michaeorapronobis
-Ray

June 20, 2011 9:56 PM

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

[fr, tungkol po sa babaing nagbabsa ng readings sa misa at sa EMHC's
St.
Paul forbade women to speak in church. "Let women keep silence in the
churches, for it is not permitted them to speak, but let them be
submissive, as the Law also says...it is unseemly for a woman to speak
in church" (I Corinthians 14:34-35)]

DEAR RAY,

THE POINT
OF ST. PAUL HERE IS THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE AUTHORITY OF
THE MEN AND MUST NOT ABROGATE THE AUTHORITY OF THE ALL-MALE PRIESTHOOD.
BUT IT IS NOT A DOGMATIC PRONOUNCEMENTS THAT WOMEN CANNOT BE AUTHORIZED
BY MEN TO READ IN THE ASSEMBLY. BECAUSE IF THE WOMEN ARE GIVEN
AUTHORIZATION BY THE MALE-PRIEST WHICH REPRESENT JESUS AS THE HIGH
PRIEST THEN IT IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE COMMAND. BECAUSE THE WOMAN DID
IT NOT THROUGH REJECTION OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH BUT IN OBEDIENCE
TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH.

[Many Novus Ordo churches ignore
this rule - they ignore a direct command from St. Paul - a man much
greater than they could ever hope to be - and sadly, women read the Holy
Scriptures in most Novus Ordo churches.]

THE PAULINE MASS
CHURCHES ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZING TO THE FULL THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH
ON WOMEN THAT THEY SHOULD SUBMIT. THEIR READING IN THE CHURCH IS AN ACT
OF SUBMISSION AND OF SERVICE.

YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THE POPE
HAS THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE AS SUCCESSOR OF ST. PETER [MT
16;18-19] AND THE BISHOPS AS WELL AS SUCCESSORS OF THE APOSTLES [MT
18:18]. THE SERVANT OF GOD POPE PAUL VI, OF HAPPY MEMORY,SIMPLY EMPLOYED
HIS POWER TO LOOSE THAT DIRECTIVE WHICH IS NOT DOGMATIC AND
NON-BINDING. AND HE WAS SUPPORTED BY THE BISHOPS OF THE UNIVERSAL
CHURCH.

MUCH MORE, YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE REAL INTENTION OF THE
TEXT. THE PROHIBITION TO SPEAK IS BASICALLY A PROHIBITION TO TEACH AND
PREACH INSIDE THE CHURCH NOT ESSENTIALLY ON DISALLOWING THEM TO READ.
THE INTENTION IS WELL PRESERVED IN THE PAULINE MASS BECAUSE IT PROHIBITS
WOMEN TO PREACH AND TO TEACH DURING THE HOLY MASS. THAT MINISTERIAL
DUTY IS RESERVED FOR PRIESTS AND DEACONS.

PERHAPS YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS DECISION OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT:

"It
declares furthermore, that in the dispensation of the sacraments, salva
illorum substantia, the CHURCH may, according to CIRCUMSTANCES, TIMES
AND PLACES, determine or CHANGE whatever she may judge most expedient
for the benefit of those receiving them or for the veneration of the
sacraments, and THIS POWER HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERS." [COUNCIL OF TRENT 21st
Session, Chap II under Pope Pius IV July 1562]

 

[In fact, at the church I attend, it is quite unusual to see a man as a lay reader.]

MOST
PROBABLY YOU ARE ATTENDING MASSES FROM SSPX AND OTHER LITURGICAL REBELS
WHO REFUSED TO RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH TO PUT CHANGES IN
THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE SACRAMENTS. THESE PEOPLE ARE STAGNANT IN THEIR
MINDSET AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM VATICAN II IS REJECTED BECAUSE
THEIR MINDS ARE PREGNANT WITH MALICE.

[Women - in fact all
laypeople - have no right to read the Scriptures at Mass and even less
of a right to administer Holy Communion to the faithful.]

WOMEN
HAVE RIGHT TO READ THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS AS WELL AS THE
RESPONSORIAL PSALM IN THE MASS BECAUSE THE CHURCH AUTHORIZED THEM TO DO
SO. UNFORTUNATELY YOU ARE NOT OUR POPE AND THE BISHOPS OF THE UNIVERSAL
CHURCH ARE NOT AGREEING WITH YOU. I ONLY RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF THE
VICAR OF CHRIST WHOSE DECISION AND JUDGMENT IS THE DEFINITIVE AUTHORITY
ON EARTH ON MATTERS INVOLVING FAITH AND MORALS AS WELL AS CANONICAL AND
LITURGICAL MATTERS. PLEASE DON'T PRETEND TO BE HIGHER THAN OUR POPE.

 

[The Council of Trent states:

"If anyone says that all Christians
[lay people] have the power to administer the word [read at Mass] and
all the sacraments [give out communion], let him be anathema."

[Canon 10, Session VII, March 3, 1547]
source: michaeorapronobis
-Ray ]

THE
COUNCIL OF TRENT ALSO SAID THAT SUCH RULES CAN BE CHANGED ACCORDING TO
CIRCUMSTANCES, TIMES AND PLACES. THAT POWER TO CHANGE IS ALWAYS...
CONSTANTLY PRESENT IN THE CHURCH. HOW COME YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THAT
POWER? HOW COME YOU REFUSE THAT AUTHORITY WHEN IT WAS EMPLOYED?

YOU ONLY SHOWED THE PROHIBITION BUT YOU DIDN'T CITE THE PROVISION FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES. THAT IS SATANIC.

ACTUALLY,
IT WAS THE SAME TECHNIQUE AND POWER USED WHEN THE TLM WAS IMPLEMENTED
BY POPE PIUS V. IT WAS A NEW RITE WHICH CAME FROM VARIOUS RITES BEFORE
IT. THE TLM WAS ALSO NEW WHEN IT WAS IMPLEMENTED. IT WAS NOT THE MASS OF
THE APOSTLES.

 

LET ME CHECK YOUR CITATION MORE CLOSELY:

"If anyone says that all
Christians [lay people] have the power to administer the word [read at
Mass] and all the sacraments [give out communion], let him be anathema."

THE
CHURCH DIDN’T TEACH THAT ALL CHRISTIANS HAVE THE POWER TO ADMINISTER
THE WORD AND ALL THE SACRAMENTS. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT? THE POWER THAT
BELONGS TO THE PRIESTS ARE KEPT FOR THE PRIESTS BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT
ORDAINED AS PRIESTS. 

YOU SATANICALLY INSERTED 'LAY PEOPLE' THERE AS
WELL AS ‘READ AT MASS’ AND ‘GIVE OUT COMMUNION’. O NO, NO, NO… THE
ORIGINAL TEXT DOES NOT HAVE THAT. THAT IS FOUL.

WOMEN DO NOT
ADMINISTER THE WORDS THEY ARE SIMPLY READING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
FUNCTIONING AS MINISTER OF THE WORD. READING A TEXT DOES NOT MAKE ONE A
MINISTER OF THE SACRAMENTS. IT IS THE PRIEST THAT IS THE MINISTER OF THE
SACRAMENTS IN THE PAULINE MASS. YOU ARE EQUATING 'READING' WITH
'ADMINISTERIAL POWER'... NO, NO, NO... THE WOMEN LECTORS ARE MERE
SERVANTS OF THE CHURCH WITH NO MINISTERIAL OFFICE. THE AUTHORIZATION FOR
THEM TO READ THE OLD TESTAMENT PASSAGES AND THE EPISTLES OF THE NEW
TESTAMENT DOES NOT MAKE THEM ADMINISTRATORS OF THE SACRAMENTS. NO, NO,
NO... THAT IS ONLY A PRODUCT OF YOUR IMAGINATION.

CONCERNING THE
SPECIAL MINISTERS OF THE HOLY COMMUNION… THOSE WHO ARE DISTRIBUTING
COMMUNION IN THE MASS ARE NOT ORDINARY LAY BUT THEY ARE SPECIAL
MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH. THEY ARE ‘MINISTERS’ OF THE CHURCH. THEY HAVE
BEEN GIVEN SPECIAL POWER AND AUTHORIZATION TO DISTRIBUTE HOLY COMMUNION.
THEY CAN ONLY FUNCTION AS SUCH TEMPORARILY AND THEIR POWER ARE LIMITED
BUT THEY ARE NOT TO BE EQUATED WITH THE ORDINARY LAY. IF THE CHURCH HAS
THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DEACONS EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS OF THE
EUCHARIST THE CHURCH HAS THE SAME AUTHORITY TO CREATE MORE MINISTRIES IN
THE CHURCH AS PRACTICAL SITUATIONS DEMANDS. 

June 21, 2011 4:50 PM

MALI BA ANG BAGONG MISA NG SANTA IGLESIA?

Pope Benedict XVI celebrates the Holy Mass in St. Mary's Cathedral at Sydney, Australia... Saan nakaharap ang Papa at ang mga Pari? Sa Banal na Eucharistia at Altar Table. Kaya facing Christ pa rin yan.

 

 

Anonymous
said... 

 

 

brother, tanong lang po ako, BAKIT PO NA ANG MISA NATING MGA KATOIKO AY
MALI? KASI PO KAHIT SA INTERNET NAKIKITA KO PO NA ANG MISA NA ANG PARI
AY HUMAHARAP SA MGA TAO AY ANG TINATAWAG NA NEW ORDER OF MASS,AT HINDI
ITO ANG TAMANG PARAAN. KASI PO ANG PARI DITO AY NAGING PRESIDER NA HINDI
NA SIYA CELEBRANT. SO, SA INTERNET RIN IPINAKITA KUNG ANO ANG TOTOONG
MISA. KASI PO ANG TOTOONG MISA AY YONG ANG PARI AY NAKAHARAP SA ALTAR AT
HINDI SA MGA TAO. KAYA PO SANA AYUSIN NATIN AT SUNDIN ANG TAMANG PARAAN
SA MISA KASI PO ANG MISA NATIN NGAYON AY HINDI NA ANG MISA NA ITINUTURO
NI KRISTO. THANKS. 

May 31, 2011 11:11 AM

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said... 

 

 

[BAKIT PO NA ANG MISA NATING MGA KATOIKO AY MALI?]



 

ANG MISA NG MGA CATOLICO AY TAMA. WALANG MALI SA MISA NAMIN.





[
KASI PO KAHIT SA INTERNET NAKIKITA KO PO NA ANG MISA NA ANG PARI AY
HUMAHARAP SA MGA TAO AY ANG TINATAWAG NA NEW ORDER OF MASS,AT HINDI ITO
ANG TAMANG PARAAN.]



 

ANG MISANG HUMAHARAP SA TAO AT HUMAHARAP SA
ALTAR AY PAREHONG TAMA. SI CRISTO AY NAKAHARAP SA MGA TAO NUONG
BINASBASAN NIYA ANG TINAPAY AT ALAK.





ANG MISA AY TINATAWAG NA
'NEW ORDER OF THE MASS' DAHIL ANG 'ORDER' AY NEW SUBALIT ANG MISA AY
HINDI NEW DAHIL LAHAT NG GINAGAWA SA MISA AY HINDI NEW. ALING PARTE NG
MISA ANG 'NEW"? E LAHAT IYON GALING SA BIBLIA, SA LUMANG RITUALS
PANGUNAHIN NA ANG TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS.





[KASI PO ANG PARI DITO AY NAGING PRESIDER NA HINDI NA SIYA CELEBRANT.]



 

ANG PARI AY CELEBRANT AT PRESIDER. SINONG BALIW ANG NAGSABI SA IYO NA HINDI NA CELEBRANT ANG PARI SA MISA?





[SO, SA INTERNET RIN IPINAKITA KUNG ANO ANG TOTOONG MISA.]



 

E DI SA INTERNET KA SUMAMBA. HA HA HA... YAN ANG BAGONG ARAL, INTERNET MASS. HA HA HA...





[KASI PO ANG TOTOONG MISA AY YONG ANG PARI AY NAKAHARAP SA ALTAR AT HINDI SA MGA TAO.]



 

SINONG DEMONIO ANG NAGSABI SA YO NIYAN? WALANG ARAL ANG IGLESIA CATOLICA NA HINDI PWEDENG HUMARAP SA TAO ANG PARI.





ISA
PA, MAKITID ANG IYONG ISIP. ANG PARI AY NAKAHARAP SA ALTAR TABLE AT SA
CONSECRATED BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD AT SA MGA TAO SA NEW MASS. BOTH
IN NOVUS ORDO AND TLM PAREHONG KAY CRISTO NAKAHARAP ANG PARI.







[KAYA PO SANA AYUSIN NATIN AT SUNDIN ANG TAMANG PARAAN SA MISA KASI PO
ANG MISA NATIN NGAYON AY HINDI NA ANG MISA NA ITINUTURO NI KRISTO.]



 

ANG
UTAK MO ANG AYUSIN MO KASI PURO KATANGAHAN ANG IYONG PINAGSASABI. WALA
SA KATINUAN. ANG PAGIGING TUNAY NG MISA AY NAKADEPENDE SA SANTO PAPA
HINDI SA INTERNET. HE HE HE...






[THANKS.]



 

WELCOME. 

June 1, 2011 8:21 PM

Katanungan Hinggil sa 1965 Missal

Pope Paul VI, the Prophet of Life, celebrating the Holy Mass

Anonymous said...

Father, ano po ang masasabi niyo sa 1965 missal? di po ba yan po yung halos kapareho ng TLM na isinalin sa vernacular tapos may mga kaunitng nabago tulad ng paggamit ng "Katawan ni Cristo" sa komunyon at ang pagtanggal ng Last gospel? Salamat po.

May 4, 2011 4:53 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

ANG 1965 MISSAL AY NAGTATAGLAY NG RITE OF THE HOLY MASS AS APPROVED BY THE SERVANT OF GOD POPE PAUL VI. ANG MISANG ITO AY SIMPLIFIED VERSION NG TLM.

MAGANDA ANG PAULINE MASS DAHIL ITO AY NASA VERNACULAR AT NAPAKA SIMPLE DAHIL TINANGGAL ANG MGA ELEMENTO NA IDINAGDAG SA MISA THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE CENTURIES NA HINDI NAMAN TALAGA ESSENTIAL SA CELEBRATION NG HOLY MASS. MERON DING DINAGDAG TULAD NG CONCELEBRATION, ANG RESPONSORIAL PSALM, ANG SECOND READING KAPAG SUNDAYS AND SOLEMNITIES AT IBA PA. SUBALIT ANG MGA IDINAGDAG AY GALING LAHAT SA CATHOLIC AND BIBLICAL TRADITION.

ANG TLM AT ANG PAULINE MASS AY PAREHONG VALID MASS NG LATIN RITE. THEY ARE THE EXTRAORDINARY AND ORDINARY FORMS NG ATING ROMAN RITE. DAPAT PAREHO NATIN ITONG MAHALIN AT TANGKILIKIN. WAG PANIWALAAN ANG MGA MAKITID ANG ISIP NA TLM LANG ANG GUSTO AT YUNG IBA NA ITINATAKWIL ANG TLM.

May 4, 2011 8:10 PM

QUESTION ON THE SO-CALLED 'CREATION' OF NOVUS ORDO

Pope Benedict XVI elevates the Sacred Chalice containing the Consecrated Blood of the Lord Jesus.

Josemaria Lazaro Paulo Jeronimo Martin Carvalho-von verster said...

Father Did NOT Archbishop Bugnini Made some Mistakes In Creating the Novus Ordo?

November 13, 2010 5:34 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

JOSEMARIA,

WHAT ARE THOSE MISTAKES?

1. SIMPLIFYING THE MASS AS HE WAS DIRECTED BY THE HOLY FATHER, PAUL VI, WAS NOT A MISTAKE BUT A GOOD JOB DONE.

2. USING THE VERNACULAR IN THE MASS IS BIBLICAL, HISTORICAL, PATRISTIC AND LITURGICALLY SOUND. THAT IS GOOD. IT IS THE DOCTRINE OF 'LATIN ALONE' WHICH IS WRONG. THE CHURCH NEVER APPLIED THE DOCTRINE OF 'LATIN ALONE'.

3. HAVING A SECOND READING IN THE MASS EVERY SUNDAY AND FESTIVITIES IS A GOOD DECISION TOO. AS WELL AS HAVING THE RESPONSORIAL PSALM.

ONLY THOSE WHOSE MIND ARE INFESTED BY THE DEMON OF REBELLIOUSNESS LIKE LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX CONSIDER THESE THINGS AS MISTAKES OR EVIL. NO, NO, NO, NO... THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOOD.

MUCH MORE, YOUR STATEMENT 'CREATING THE NOVUS ORDO' IS WRONG. THE NOVUS ORDO IS MADE EXACTLY LIKE THE TLM. IT IS ACTUALLY A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THE TLM:

1. Entrance Procession

2. Kissing of the Altar

3. Sign of the Cross

4. Greeting

5. Penitential Rite

6. Kyrie

7. Gloria

8. Prayer

9. Readings:

a) First Readings mostly from Old Testament

b) Responsorial Psalms from the Psalter of David

c) Second Readings from the Epistles

d) Alleluia

e) Gospel

10. Sermon or Homily

11. Creed

12. Prayer of the Faithful

13. Offertory & Prayer Over the Gifts

14. Preface

15. Sanctus

16. Anaphora or Canon

17. Pater Noster

18. Agnus Dei

19. Holy Communion

20. Final Prayer

21. Blessing

22. Kissing of the Altar

23. Processional

TELL ME, WHICH OF THAT ARE BAD,EVIL OR NOT FOUNDED ON SACRED TRADITION? ARE THE PSALMS NOT FOUNDED ON TRADITION? HOW ABOUT THE PRAYER OF THE FAITHFUL?

EVERY SINGLE DETAIL OF NOVUS ORDO COMES FROM TLM OR OTHER LITURGICAL TRADITION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. LEFEBVRE IS JUST TO SENILE TO RECOGNIZE THEM.

November 13, 2010 8:07 AM

More Defense of the Mass in Vernacular

Pope Benedict XVI during the Consecration with other priests during mass in Manger Square in the West Bank town of Bethlehem.

john said...

The post is very troublesome in its denigration of Latin Masses pre-V2, even by defenders of Latin. That people fall short of doing something well is not an excuse for abandoning it. If that is the standard, then it should be applied equally to the Novus Ordo. Look at the abuses infractions in the Novus Ordo now.

There are pros and cons to both Latin and vernacular. Of course, Latin has not been the common language for centuries but is retained precisely because it is not subject to the whims of fads. The Church has been ruptured before due to a single mistranslation or misunderstanding in its definitions. Look at the case of the English translations of ICEL.

People should be adults and if they cannot understand something, they should seek knowledge instead of lambasting their ignorance. It is sad to hear somebody say they do not understand the kyrie.

The dismal ignorance and the support for RH Bill in a catholic majority country is proof that vernacular is not the panacea extolled. If things are so great in vernacular world of worship, why the widespread ignorance?

Litury is confused with catechesis.Understanding is done by catechesis. In many parishes and dioceses, there is a collapse of catechesis after the change to vernacular in the liturgy. Maybe the idea is that understanding the liturgy makes the faith self-evident.

The irony is that the draconian imposition of Novus Ordo is the last gasp for the Tridentine style of ruling the church. A way that is much maligned by liberals. Never again will the entire church just accept the whims of a Bugnini. SP did not at all impose removing N.O., why make wild conjectures of mass rebellion. Prepare for the new English translation and the hysteria of liberals.

October 25, 2010 8:06 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[The post is very troublesome in its denigration of Latin Masses pre-V2,]

EXCUSE ME. IT IS NOT THE LATIN MASSES THAT IS DEGRADED HERE BUT THE ILLICIT SSPX REBELS. DON'T EQUATE THAT GROUP WITH THE LATIN MASS. THEY DO NOT OWN THE LATIN MASS. THEY ARE ONLY USING IT FOR THEIR REBELLION AGAINST THE CHURCH.

[ even by defenders of Latin.]

THE SSPX DOES NOT DEFEND LATIN. IT ONLY USES IT TO FEED ITS REBELLION.

[ That people fall short of doing something well is not an excuse for abandoning it.]

IT IS NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT FALL SHORT. THE LATIN LANGUAGE ALREADY FELL SHORT FOR THE LIFE OF THE PEOPLE. IT IS NO LONGER USE IN ACADEME, IN LITERATURE AND IN SCIENCES EXCEPT AMONG THOSE SPECIALIZING IN THAT PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. THUS, IT IS NO LONGER THE LIVING LANGUAGE THAT THE CHURCH HAD CHOSEN IN FAVOR OF GREEK IN THE 4TH CENTURY. AS IT WAS CHOSEN IN FAVOR OF GREEK, IT CAN ALSO BE REPLACED BY ANOTHER ONCE THE LANGUAGE IS NO LONGER UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE PEOPLE.

[ If that is the standard, then it should be applied equally to the Novus Ordo.]

THAT IS AN STANDARD BUT NOT THE ONLY STANDARD. IN LATIN IT IS THE LANGUAGE ITSELF THAT DIED DOWN. IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF THE PEOPLE. IT IS THE NATURAL WEAKNESS OF THE LANGUAGE THAT OUTLIVED ITS USEFULNESS.

THE VERNACULAR IS THE NEW 'VULGATE' OF THE PEOPLE THEN IT MUST BE USED IN THE LITURGY. THERE IS NO DOGMA IN THE CHURCH THAT SAYS THE HOLY MASS MUST BE CELEBRATED IN ONE LANGUAGE ALONE PERPETUALLY. THE USE OF LATIN IS NOT A DOGMA, BUT A PASTORAL NECESSITY... NOW, THAT NECESSITY IS GOD. THE NECESSITY CHANGED IN FAVOR OF THE VERNACULAR.

THE SSPX KEEPS ON SAYING THAT VATICAN II IS PASTORAL. WELL, THE USE OF LATIN IS ALSO PASTORAL.

[Look at the abuses infractions in the Novus Ordo now.]

EXCUSE ME. YOU ARE USING THAT SO CALLED ABUSES IN NOVUS ORDO AS IF THE ABUSES ARE NOT PRESENT IN THE PAST.

THE LITURGICAL ABUSES NOW IS NO MORE THAN THE LITURGICAL ABUSES DURING THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES WHEN PEOPLE WERE DYING DUE TO THEIR SINS AGAINST THE HOLY EUCHARIST AS REPORTED BY ST. PAUL IN 1 CORINTHIANS 11. BEFORE AND AFTER THE COUNCIL OF TRENT THE CHURCH WAS ALSO BESIEGED BY CANONICAL AND LITURGICAL ABUSES. THE ABUSES CONFRONTED BY TRENT IS MUCH TERRIBLE IN DEGREE THAN THOSE WE ARE CONFRONTING TODAY.

DURING THE PRE-VATICAN II THERE WERE ABUSES ALSO. WHAT IS LACKING IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT RECORDS AND SENDS THESE ABUSES IN THE INTERNET OR TELEVISION FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE.

[There are pros and cons to both Latin and vernacular.]

OBVIOUSLY, AS THE DEBATES DURING THE VATICAN II SHOWED THE PROS IN FAVOR OF VERNACULAR IS MORE THAN THE CONS AND THE CONS IN USING THE LATIN ALONE IS GREATER THAN THE PROS.

[Of course, Latin has not been the common language for centuries but is retained precisely because it is not subject to the whims of fads.]

LANGUAGE IS NOT THE WHIMS OF FADS. IT IS A PRODUCT OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF CULTURE. THE CHURCH USUS THE LANGUAGE UNDERSTANDABLE TO PEOPLE NOT THE ONE THAT IS ONLY THE LEARNED AND THE HOLY SPIRIT COULD UNDERSTAND.

DURING THE PENTECOST THE SPIRIT OF GOD RESPECTED THE LANGUAGE OF PEOPLE FROM VARIOUS PLACES BY MAKING EACH ONE OF THEM UNDERSTAND THE PREACHING OF THE APOSTLES IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. AND THE SAME SPIRIT DIDN'T DECREE THAT LATIN WILL BE THE ONLY LANGUAGE TO BE USED FOR THE DIVINE LITURGY. O NO, NO, NO...

LATIN WAS USED BY THE CHURCH WHEN IT WAS THE 'VULGATE'... THE 'VULGAR' OR COMMON LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE. WHEN IT WAS NO LONGER COMMON THE CHURCH WISELY REPLACED IT.

TO CONTINUOUSLY USE LATIN IS TO FALLOW THE WHIMS AND CAPRICES OF THE FEW ROMANTICS WHO ARE DREAMERS OF THE PAST AND NOT VISIONARY FOR THE FUTURE. PEOPLE WITH STAGNANT MIND AND COLD HEART FOR THE WARM REALITY THAT LATIN IS DEAD.

[The Church has been ruptured before due to a single mistranslation or misunderstanding in its definitions.]

THE CHURCH IS NEVER BEEN RUPTURED. THE CHURCH IS THE CHURCH, ALWAYS AND EVERY WHERE. PROBLEM WITH TRANSLATION FROM TIME TO TIME DOES NOT IN ANY WAY DIMINISH THE CHURCH AND DEFINITELY THERE WAS NO RUPTURE.

[Look at the case of the English translations of ICEL.]

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRANSLATIONS OF ICEL? IS THERE ANY HERESY WITH IT? AND MUCH MORE, IT MAY NOT BE A PERFECT TRANSLATION BUT IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL AND ENRICHING TRANSLATION.

[People should be adults and if they cannot understand something, they should seek knowledge instead of lambasting their ignorance.]

IT SOUNDS BEAUTIFUL BUT BASICALLY DEFECTIVE.

IF THE LORD JESUS DIDN'T IMPOSE ARAMAIC OR HEBREW ON THE APOSTLES WHY DO YOU IMPOSE LATIN ON US? THE APOSTLES CELEBRATED THE MASS AND WROTE AND PREACHED IN GREEK. THE LATER ON POPE ST. DAMASUS CHANGED IT TO LATIN WITHOUT DETRIMENT TO GREEK RITE AND OTHER ORIENTAL RITES. HOW COME THE USE OF VERNACULAR IS SUDDENLY BECOMING EVIL TODAY?

THE ROOTS OF EVIL TODAY IS NOT THE NOVUS ORDO AND THE VERNACULAR BUT SIN. AND THE ROOT OF HOLINESS IN PRE-VATICAN II LITURGY IS NOT LATIN BUT THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH IS PRESENT STILL TODAY. THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE IN THE LATIN LANGUAGE. TO CLAIM OTHERWISE IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUBLIME LIES AND STUPIDITY.

[It is sad to hear somebody say they do not understand the kyrie.]

OF COURSE, THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE KYRIE. EVEN IF THEY KNOW ITS TRANSLATION IT IS ONLY KNOWING THE TRANSLATION BUT NOT KNOWING IT INSTINCTIVELY. FOR AN AMERICAN TO SING 'LORD, HAVE MERCY' OR FOR A FILIPINO TO SING 'PANGINOON, MAAWA KA' IS NOT JUST PRAYING THROUGH TRANSLATIONS BUT DIRECT EXPRESSION OF WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART AND MIND AND VERY BEING. THAT IS WHY THE HOLY SPIRIT COMMUNICATES DIRECTLY THROUGH THE NATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE AUDIENCE IN PENTECOST. AS WE ALL KNOW, THE PENTECOST IS THE CHURCH IN ITS SEMINAL FORM OR RATHER THE CHURCH IN HER INFANCY.

[The dismal ignorance and the support for RH Bill in a catholic majority country is proof that vernacular is not the panacea extolled.]

NOT SO. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE DEFENDING THE CHURCH AGAINST THE RH BILL. THE CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS INCLUDING MY PERSON AND THIS BLOG AND THE MEMBERS OF DEFENSORES FIDEI AND CATHOLIC FAITH DEFENDERS WHO ARE 99% LAY ARE DEFENDING THE CHURCH. WE NEVER HEARD ANY OF THE SSPX PRIESTS OR SUPPORTERS DEFENDING THE CHURCH IN PUBLIC FORUM. THEY SIMPLY JOIN THE ENEMIES. THE HOMOSEXUALS AND FEMINISTS ATTACK THE CHURCH AND THE POPE ON RH BILL, WHILE THE SSPX SUPPORTERS ATTACK THE CHURCH AND THE POPE ON MATTERS OF LITURGY. SEE, YOU ARE NOT WITH THE CHURCH AND THE POPE. YOU BELONG TO THE OTHER SIDE. YOU ARE ONE WITH OUR ENEMIES.

I STILL HAVE TO SEE AN SSPX LAY PERSON TO GO TO THE MEDIA EXPLAINING THE MEANING OF FREEDOM AND CONSCIENCE IN LATIN IN ORDER TO DEBUNK THE RH BILL. SHOW ME ANY VIDEO. ON MY PART, I'VE BEEN ON SEVERAL SEMINARS, RADIO SHOWS ALREADY TOGETHER WITH LAY CATHOLICS DEFENDING THE CHURCH AGAINST THE RH BILL.

DO NOT PROJECT UNTO US YOUR OWN USELESSNESS AND INABILITY. IF YOU CANNOT TRUST THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ON LITURGY THEN YOU CANNOT TRUST HER ON MORAL ISSUES. TO BE TRAITOR IN LITURGY IS TO BE TRAITOR ON MORALS AND ON DOGMA AND ON ALL ASPECTS OF CHURCH LIFE INCLUDING THE CANON LAW.

[If things are so great in vernacular world of worship, why the widespread ignorance?]

THE CATHOLICS DURING THE PRE-VATICAN II ARE MORE IGNORANT. GATHER TOGETHER THE NUMBER OF BOOKS WRITTEN BY LAY DURING THE PRE-VATICAN II? GET THE NAMES OF LAY PREACHERS AND TEACHER OF FAITH BEFORE? ALMOST NONE. NOW, THE CATHOLIC RADIOS, TV's, NEWSPAPERS ARE MOSTLY RUN, ADMINISTERED AND MANNED BY LAY PEOPLE. AFTER VATICAN II LAY CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS ROSE IN PROMINENCE AND THEY WERE ABLE TO CONVERT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF CONVERTS YEAR AFTER YEAR IN U.S. ALONE. TO THE POINT THAT EVERY YEAR MORE THAN 350,000 ADULT CONVERSIONS ARE HAPPENING IN THE U.S.

GO TO FACEBOOK, GO TO RELIGIOUS BLOGS. THE APOLOGISTS AND CATHOLIC BLOGGERS ARE LAY PEOPLE. THEY ARE DEFENDING THE CHURCH ON RH BILL AND ON DOGMATIC MATTERS. ONE OF THEIR ENEMIES ARE THE SSPX DIE-HARDS WHO KNOW NOTHING EXCEPT ATTACKING THE POPE, THE NOVUS ORDO AND VATICAN II. THEY ARE BUNCH OF USELESS AND TREACHEROUS PEOPLE.

[Litury is confused with catechesis.]

THERE IS NO CONFUSION. THERE IS ONLY ESSENTIAL UNITY AND HARMONY BETWEEN THE TWO. IN THE LATIN MASS, SO MUCH SILENCE DILUTES THE KERYGMATIC NATURE OF THE LITURGY.

[Understanding is done by catechesis.]

SO, YOU ARE ADMITTING NOW THAT IT IS OK TO BE IGNORANT DURING THE MASS AS LONG AS THE EXPLANATION WILL BE GIVEN THROUGH CATECHESIS. HOW DO YOU GIVE THEM CATECHESIS? SHALL YOU CALL THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED YOUR SUNDAY MASS THE FOLLOWING DAY TO HEAR CATECHESIS?

WHEN JESUS CELEBRATED THE LAST SUPPER, IT WAS LITURGICAL AND AT THE SAME TIME CATECHETICAL. IT WAS SPIRITUAL AND KERYGMATIC AT THE SAME TIME. YOU ARE CREATING A BIFURCATION ON SOMETHING THAT IS ESSENTIALLY UNITED.

[In many parishes and dioceses, there is a collapse of catechesis after the change to vernacular in the liturgy.]

O NO, NO, NO... ACTUALLY THERE IS A MORE ACTIVE CATECHESIS NOW THAN BEFORE. BECAUSE THE SIMPLE PEOPLE ARE SINGING CATHOLIC SONGS USED IN THE MASS EVEN AT HOME AND THEY SERVE AS CATECHESIS. THUS, THE POPULARITY OF 'ANG PANGINOON ANG AKING PASTOL' 'HINDI KITA MALILIMUTAN' 'PURIHIN ANG PANGINOON' WHICH PEOPLE SING FROM THE HEART.

[Maybe the idea is that understanding the liturgy makes the faith self-evident.]

THE IDEA IS THAT UNDERSTANDING THE LITURGY MAKES THE FAITH BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY THE PEOPLE. WHETHER THE MASS IS IN LATIN OR VERNACULAR THERE WILL BE HYPCRISY AMONG THE FAITHFUL. THERE ARE IDIOTS AMONG TLM FOLLOWERS AND ALSO IN NOVUS ORDO. BUT IN NOVUS ORDO IT IS UNDERSTOOD WHILE IN TLM IT IS NOT.

[The irony is that the draconian imposition of Novus Ordo is the last gasp for the Tridentine style of ruling the church.]

THERE IS NO DRACONIAN IMPOSITION OF NOVUS ORDO. THERE IS ONLY THE PONTIFICAL COMMAND FOR ITS UNIVERSAL USE. YOUR LANGUAGE IS MORE PROPER FOR 'DRAGONS' NOT FOR CATHOLICS.

WELL, THE LAST GASP FOR THE TRIDENTINE STYLE OF RULING THE CHURCH IS BROUGHT ABOUT BY THE VATICAN STYLE OF RULING THE CHURCH. THE TRIDENTINE SYTLE BROUGHT AN END TO THE LATERAN STYLE AND THE LATERAN SYTLE BROUGHT AN END TO THE CONSTANTINOPOLITAN STYLE. AND THE CONSTANTINOPOLITAN STYLE BROUGHT AN END TO THE CHALCEDONIAN STYLE.

THESE STYLES ARE NOT DOGMAS. THEY ARE PASTORAL. THEY ARE BOUND TO CHANGE. IF YOU WANT TO REMAIN IN THE TRIDENTINE STYLE THEN JOIN THE 'OLD CATHOLICS'. THE PROCESS OF CHANGE FROM TRIDENTINE TO VATICAN STYLE CAME WITH THE FIRST VATICAN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL.

[ A way that is much maligned by liberals.]

THE LIBERALS MALIGNED THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH AND OF THE POPE. EXACTLY THE MANNER OF LEFEBVRE AND HIS COHORTS. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE MORE IN COMMON WITH THEM. THE CHURCH AND THE POPE IS OPPOSED BY THE PRO-RH BILL AND YOU ARE DOING THE SAME ON THE LITURGICAL LEVEL. THE SAME DEMON THAT POSSESSED THESE LIBERALS IS THE SAME DEMON THAT IS POSSESSING YOUR MIND.

THE ULTRA TRADITIONALS AT SO AT PAINED THAT THE LIBERALS MALIGNED THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH YET THEY ARE DOING THE SAME.

[ Never again will the entire church just accept the whims of a Bugnini.]

BUGNINI SIMPLY FOLLOWS THE DIRECTIVE OF POPE PAUL VI.

99.99% OF THE CHURCH RESPECTED THE DECISION OF THE POPE THROUGH BUGNINI ONLY VERY FEW FOLLOWED THE REBELLION OF THAT WACKY OLD FOOL NAMED LEFEBVRE IN DISOBEYING THE POPE. CARDINALS OTTAVIANI, SIRI AND OTHERS REFUSED TO JOIN THE REBELLION OF LEFEBVRE.

YOU CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE CHURCH BECAUSE THE ENTIRE CHURCH HAS ALREADY ACCEPTED THE USE OF THE NOVUS ORDO. FROM TIME TO TIME THERE WILL BE FEW THOUSANDS WHO PREFER LATIN OVER VERNACULAR. BUT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS LOVE THE USE OF THE VERNACULAR.

[SP did not at all impose removing N.O., why make wild conjectures of mass rebellion.]

I DO NOT MAKE WILD CONJECTURES OF MASS REBELLION. BECAUSE THE FOLLOWERS OF SSPX ARE SURELY NOT ON THE LEVEL OF A 'MASS' OR A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THEY ARE SO FEW. YET SO NOISY. AND INDEED THEY ARE IN REBELLION. NOT MASS REBELLION BUT SIMPLY REBELLION. LITURGICAL REBELLION.

[Prepare for the new English translation and the hysteria of liberals.]

THE LIBERALS CAN CRY THEIR HEARTS OUT TILL THEY BLEED TO DEATH BUT THE NEW TRANSLATIONS SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT.

ON THE PART OF THE SSPX, THE VERNACULAR SHALL BE IN USE WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT.

October 25, 2010 10:28 AM