MAAARI BANG MAG-INTERACT ANG PHYSICAL AT NON-PHYSICAL REALITIES?

The Lord Jesus is not only our Good Shepherd. He is also THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Bleachigo said...

Thanks po, Father, sa magandang kasagutan! Nakalimutan ko na ang first hand witness nga pala ay competent, credible at authorized ang testimony, nung nakaharap ko ang isang ateista. Si St. Peter ay isang first hand witness. May mga ateista po akong gustong idadalangin ko sa Diyos. Ok lang naman po siguro, Father Abe, na ipagdasal ang mga ateista para sila'y maabot ng liwanag ng Diyos, indi po ba? Sila po kasi ay laging nag-ii-stay sa dilim.

Tungkol naman po sa isip at kaluluwa, iyan po, Father, ang gustong-gusto ko isagot sa mga ateista. Nahahalintulad ang existence ng Diyos sa obserbasyon ng isang ateistang astronaut at neurosurgeon na naniniwala sa Diyos. Ang sabi ng ateistang astronaut ay matagal na siang nakakapunta ng space pero indi nia pa rin nakikita si God. Sagot naman sa kanya ng neurosurgeon ay ang tagal ko ng nag-oopera ng utak pero indi ko makita ang isipan ng tao.

Pero Father, ako po ay biglang nalito sa paniniwala ko na ang mind ng tao ay non-physical nung nakita ko ang blog na ito: http://rationesola.blogspot.com/2010/12/mind-body-problem.html . Ang katwiran po ng blogger diyan ay ang mind po ay physical din since indi pdeng mag-interact ang physical at non-physical. Gumamit pa po sia ng analogy. Ang analogy nia po ay ang dualist view kaparehas ng geocentric view at ang physicalist view kaparehas ng heliocentric view. Ang geocentric daw po ay nagkamali dati at gamit ang analogy, mali din daw po ang dualist view. Pero ang naisip ko naman po, parehas naman mali ang geocentric view at heliocentric view in the sense na alin ba talga ang center ng universe. Kung may time po kau, Father, marami pong pinagsasabi dian sa link na paste ko ang blogger na kung bakit daw po physical din ang mind imbis na non-physical, gusto ko pong malaman ang masasabi nio about sa topic na iyon.

Maraming Salamat Po ulit! Nawa'y pagpalain po kayo palagi ng Diyos!

Arvin

May 5, 2011 1:10 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[Pero Father, ako po ay biglang nalito sa paniniwala ko na ang mind ng tao ay non-physical nung nakita ko ang blog na ito: http://rationesola.blogspot.com/2010/12/mind-body-problem.html . Ang katwiran po ng blogger diyan ay ang mind po ay physical din since indi pdeng mag-interact ang physical at non-physical.]

ANG KATWIRAN NG BLOGGER NA IYAN AYON SA PRESENTATION MO AY MALI AT PALPAK DAHIL ANG PHYSICAL AT ANG NON-PHYSICAL SUCH AS THE SPIRITUAL REALITIES AY MAAARING MAG-INTERACT.

HALIMBAWA, ANG PAG-MAMAHAL. ANG ATING DAMDAMIN AY HINDI PHYSICAL KUNDI NON-PHYSICAL. KASI KAHTT OPERAHAN MO ANG PUSO AT UTAK NG TAO HINDI MO MAKIKITA KUNG SINO AT GANO KATINDI ANG KANYANG PAG-IBIG SA ISANG TAO O BAGAY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE AY ANG ATING MGA IDEAS. ITO AY NON-PHYSICAL. KAHIT HIMAY-HIMAYIN MO ANG UTAK NG BAWAT TAO HINDI MO MAKIKITA DUON ANG KANILANG MGA MEMORIZED INFORMATIONS TULAD NG MGA TULA, SONGS, MULTIPLICATION TABLE, ETC. ACTUALLY, YAN NGA ANG SAGOT NG NEOSURGEON SA ATEISTANG ASTRONAUT... MATAGAL NA SIYANG NAG-OOPERA NG UTAK PERO HINDI PA NIYA NAKIKITA ANG ISIPAN NG TAO. BAKIT? DAHIL ANG ATING KAISIPAN AY HINDI PHYSICAL KUNDI SPIRITUAL. SUBALIT WALANG BUANG NA MAGTUTURO NA WALANG ISIP AT TALINO ANG TAO. MERON. SUBALIT ITO AY HINDI NAKIKITA NG DIRECTA KUNDI MANIFESTED LANG SA ATING PAGKILOS, PAGSASALITA AT PAGDEDESISYON.

ANG PAG-IBIG AT ANG MGA IDEAS NG TAO AY NON-PHYSICAL. THEY ARE SPIRITUAL REALITIES. SUBALIT SILA AY TAGLAY TAGLAY NG TAONG MAY KATAWAN. KAYA ANG PHYSICAL AT ANG NON--PHYSICAL AY NAG-I INTERACT SA BAWAT TAO CONTRARY SA CLAIM NG BLOGGER.

KUNG ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG BLOGGER NG SALITANG MIND AY ANG UTAK, SIEMPRE PHYSICAL YON. BRAIN IS A PHYSICAL COMPENENT OF MAN. SUBALIT KUNG ANG TINUTUKOY NIYA AY INTELLIGENCE, FREE WILL AT ANG MGA IDEAS NG TAO YON AY HINDI PHYSICAL KUNDI NON-PHYSICAL.

[ Gumamit pa po sia ng analogy. Ang analogy nia po ay ang dualist view kaparehas ng geocentric view at ang physicalist view kaparehas ng heliocentric view.]

PALPAK ANG ANALOGY NYA. ANG LAYO SA ISYU. SA HALIP NA LUMINAW AY LALO LANG NAGPAGULO.

[Ang geocentric daw po ay nagkamali dati at gamit ang analogy, mali din daw po ang dualist view.]

ANG GEOCENTRIC AT ANG DUALIST VIEWS AY PAREHONG SCIENTIFIC THEORIES. AT IYAN AY PAREHONG OPINION HINGGIL SA SCIENCIA. IBIG SABIHIN PAREHONG PHYSICAL WORLD ANG KANILANG PINAG-AARALAN. KAYA PALPAK ANG KANYANG ANALOGY. DAPAT GUMAMIT SIYA NG ISANG PHYSICAL AT ISANG NON--PHYSICAL ELEMENT PARA MAS AKMA AT ANGKOP ANG EXAMPLES NIYA.

[Pero ang naisip ko naman po, parehas naman mali ang geocentric view at heliocentric view in the sense na alin ba talga ang center ng universe.]

HE HE HE... ANG PINAG DEBATEHAN NILA AY KUNG ANG ARAW BA ANG UMIIKOT SA DAIGDIG O ANG DAIGDIG ANG UMIIKOT SA ARAW. HE HE HE... WELL, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS NG MGA SCIENTISTS AND SCHOLARS NGAYON AY ANG EARTH ANG UMIIKOT SA ARAW. THAT IS ON THE PHYSICAL SENSE. SCIENCIA YAN. SUBALIT, THEOLOGICALLY ANG EARTH PA RIN ANG CENTRO NG UNIVERSE DAHIL GOD CREATED THE EARTH TO BE THE HABITATION OF MAN WHO WAS CREATED ACCORDING TO HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS. ISA PA, ANG DIOS AY NAGKATAWANG TAO SA PERSONA NG ATING PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO. KAYA NANAOG ANG DIOS SA DAIGDIG DAHIL DITO ITO ANG CENTRO NG BUONG SANTINAKPAN.

WALANG CONTRA DUON. KASI KAHIT NA ANG EARTH AY UMIIKOT SA ARAW HINDI PA RIN NABABAWASAN ANG KADAKILAAN NG DAIGDIG BILANG PINILI NG DIOS. ISA PA, PARA SA ATING MGA CATHOLICS JESUS IS THE 'DAY STAR' OF OUR FAITH. SIYA ANG "SUN" OF OUR LIFE. JESUS IS THE LIGHT, THE SOURCE OF LIGHT AND OF LIFE [John 1:1-4]. KAYA ANG HELIOCENTRISM AY NAGTUTURO LAMANG SA ATIN NA HINDI TAO ANG CENTRO NG LAHAT KUNDI SI CRISTONG PANGINOON... JESUS IS THE FIRST-BORN AMONG MEN [Colossians 1:15] AND HE IS LORD OVER ALL [Revelation 17:14]. ANG PANGINOONG JESUS AY MAS MATAAS AT MAS DAKILA NG HIGIT SA DAIGDIG AT SA LAHAT NG TAO.

YANG ISSUE NG HELIOCENTRISM AT GEOCENTRISM AY LAGPAS NA SA AKING AREA OF COMPETENCE. I AM NOT A SCIENTIST BUT A PRIEST. I RATHER LEAVE THAT TO OUR CATHOLIC SCHOLARS, PHILOSOPHERS, SCIENTISTS, ETC. WHO ARE MORE EXPERT ON THAT ISSUE.

[Kung may time po kau, Father, marami pong pinagsasabi dian sa link na paste ko ang blogger na kung bakit daw po physical din ang mind imbis na non-physical, gusto ko pong malaman ang masasabi nio about sa topic na iyon.]

ANG UTAK AY PHYSICAL SUBALIT ANG KAISIPAN NG TAO AY HINDI PHYSICAL KUNDI SPIRITUAL.

WALA PO AKONG TIME PARA I-SPEND READING THAT BLOG. SINASAGOT KO LAMANG PO ANG TANONG NINYO.

May 8, 2011 6:20 PM

WHERE IS THE SOUL OF A COMATOSE PERSON? Response of Pope Benedict XVI

The Lord Jesus raises the dead son of the Widow of Nain

Pope: Where Is the Soul of a Comatose Person?

Addresses Japanese Child, Iraqi Christian, Ivorian Muslim

VATICAN CITY, APRIL 22, 2011 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI employed television to address people with a variety of crosses: a Japanese child traumatized by the earthquake, a persecuted Iraqi Christian, and a mother of a comatose man.

The Pope was featured today on a television program "A Sua Immagine" [In His Image] of the Italian channel RAI to answer seven questions from these people and others, including a Muslim woman from the Ivory Coast and Christians from Italy seeking deeper understanding of Christ's resurrection and Mary's role in our lives.

An Italian mother named Maria Teresa explained that her son, Francesco, "has been in a vegetative coma since Easter Sunday 2009." She asked the Holy Father, if her son's soul has "left his body, seeing that he is no longer conscious, or is it still near him?"

Benedict XVI assured the mother, "Certainly his soul is still present in his body."

He explained: "The situation, perhaps, is like that of a guitar whose strings have been broken and therefore can no longer play. The instrument of the body is fragile like that; it is vulnerable, and the soul cannot play, so to speak, but remains present."

The Pope assured the mother that "this hidden soul feels your love deep down, even if unable to understand the details."

He continued: "Your presence, therefore, dear parents, dear mother, next to him for hours and hours every day, is the true act of a love of great value because this presence enters into the depth of that hidden soul.

"Your act is thus also a witness of faith in God, of faith in man, of faith, let us say, of commitment, to life, of respect for human life, even in the saddest of situations."

The Pontiff encouraged Maria Teresa to "carry on, to know that you are giving a great service to humanity with this sign of faith, with this sign of respect for life, with this love for a wounded body and a suffering soul."

Truly resurrected

Later, while responding to a question about Jesus' resurrection and what it will mean for us to have a glorified body, the Holy Father reminded his audience that "even matter is destined for eternity, that it is truly resurrected, that it does not remain something lost."

"Jesus did not leave his body behind to corruption," although he "assumed this matter in a new condition of life," Benedict XVI added.

He stated, "There is a new condition, a different one, that we do not know but which is shown in the fact of Jesus and which is a great promise for all of us: that there is a new world, a new life, toward which we are on a journey."

"Being in this condition," the Pope observed, "Jesus had the possibility of letting himself be felt, of offering his hand to his followers, of eating with them, but still of being beyond the conditions of biological life as we live it."

"He is a real man, not a ghost, that he lives a real life, but a new life that is no longer submitted to the death that is our great promise," the Pontiff said.

He continued: "It is important to understand this, at least as much as we can, for the Eucharist.

"In the Eucharist, the Lord gives us his glorified body, not flesh to eat in a biological sense.

"He gives us himself, this newness that he is in our humanity, in our being as person, and it touches us within with his being so that we might let ourselves be penetrated by his presence, transformed in his presence."

"It is an important point," the Holy Father asserted, "because we are thus already in contact with this new life, this new type of life, since he has entered into me and I have gone out of myself and am extended toward a new dimension of life."

He stated, "It is not about noting things that we cannot understand but of being on a journey to the newness that always begins again anew in the Eucharist."

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