Pope Benedict XVI and Patriarch Bartholomew I praying together-
Fr. Abe, magandang (hating)gabi po, sorry kung medyo out place ang post ko.
Pero matanong nga lang.
Ano ang katotohanan hinggil sa pag claim ng mga Orthodox na noong 1054, the Pope broke away from the Church and declared himself as infallible?
Isa pa ho, yung claim din nila na dinag-dagan ng mga Romana Katolika ang Creed ng Latin na word na "Filioque" (...the Father and of the Son)
Pwede ho rin ba'ng malaman ang talagang dahilan kung bakit nagkaroon ng schism sa West at sa East?
Nag research po ako Fr. Abe, ngunit kinailangan ko talagang mag tanong. Tsaka Katoliko po ako.
Maraming salamat po!
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[Fr. Abe, magandang (hating)gabi po, sorry kung medyo out place ang post ko.]
OK LANG BROD.
[Pero matanong nga lang.]
SIGE LANG.
[Ano ang katotohanan hinggil sa pag claim ng mga Orthodox na noong 1054, the Pope broke away from the Church and declared himself as infallible?]
UNA, YAN AY MALI AT WALANG BASEHAN.
SIMULA NG UMPISA ANG ROME AY TINUTURING NA BILANG THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT SEAT OF THE CHURCH. YAN ANG DAHILAN KUNG BAKIT SA LISTAHAN NG MGA LOCAL CHURCHES SA BIBLIA ANG EPISTLE TO THE ROMANS ANG FIRST IN ORDER OF DIGNITY AND HONOR BAGAMAT ANG FIRST LETTER TO THE THESSALONIANS ANG UNANG NAISULAT NI SAN PABLO.
BEFORE 1054 KINIKILALA NA AT ITINUTURO ANG SUPREMACY NG CHURCH OF ROME DAHIL ITO ANG 'SEE' OR 'SEAT' OF THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER:St. Cyprian of Carthage “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. . . . If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).
“There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering” (Letters 43[40]:5 [A.D. 253]).
SEE, HINDI SEE OF CONSTANTINOPLE NG MGA ORTHODOX ANG KINIKILALA KUNDI ANG CHAIR OF PETER NA WALANG IBA KUNDI ANG SANTO PAPA SA ROMA. ITO AY SINUPORTAHAN NG ECUMENICAL COUNCIL OF NICEA NUONG 325 NA KINILALA ANG LIMANG PATRIARCHATES:
1. ROME
2. Constantinople
3. Alexandria
4. Antioch
5. Jerusalem
SEE, ROME IS THE FIRST AND THE HIGHEST OF ALL PATRIARCHATES. THE OTHERS ARE LOWER THAN ROME.
ISA PANG PATOTOO:
Optatus “You cannot deny that you are aware that in the city of Rome the episcopal chair was given first to Peter; the chair in which Peter sat, the same who was head—that is why he is also called Cephas [‘Rock’]—of all the apostles; the one chair in which unity is maintained by all” (The Schism of the Donatists 2:2 [A.D. 367]).
ITO NAMAN ANG SABI NI POPE ST. DAMASUS BEFORE 1054:
Pope Damasus I “Likewise it is decreed . . . that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has not been placed at the forefront [of the churches] by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it” (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).
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ITO NAMAN ANG SABI NI ST. AUGUSTINE:
Augustine “If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them [the bishops of Rome] from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, ‘Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it.’ Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement. … In this order of succession a Donatist bishop is not to be found” (Letters 53:1:2 [A.D. 412]).
AND THIS IS THE PROCLAMATION OF THE BISHOPS OF THE COUNCIL OF EPHESUS:
Council of Ephesus “Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome], said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors’” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]).
AND THIS IS THE TESTIMONY OF THE BISHOPS OF THE COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON:
Council of Chalcedon “Wherefore the most holy and blessed Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome, through us, and through this present most holy synod, together with the thrice blessed and all-glorious Peter the apostle, who is the rock and foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox faith, has stripped him [Dioscorus] of the episcopate” (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 451]).
HE, HE, HE... NOW, TANUNGIN MO ANG MGA ORTHODOX KUNG MAY SINASABING GANYAN ANG MGA FATHERS OF THE CHURCH SA PATRIARCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE AT SA CHURCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE. WALA. NADA, NUNCA, NOTHING. HE, HE, HE...
THE SUPREMACY AND PRIMACY AS WELL AS THE INFALLIBILITY OF THE CHURCH OF ROME IS WELL FOUNDED IN THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH BEFORE 1054. ANG PROBLEMA INGGIT LANG ANG MGA GREEKS SA MGA ROMANS. HINDI NILA MATANGGAP NA MAS MATAAS ANG ROME SA KANILA KAYA GUSTO NILANG MAGING KAPANTAY NITO PERO HINDI SILA UMUBRA DAHIL KAY SAN PEDRO IBINIGAY ANG SUSI NG LANGIT AT SI SAN PEDRO ANG UNANG SANTO PAPA NG IGLESIA CATOLICA.
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[Isa pa ho, yung claim din nila na dinag-dagan ng mga Romana Katolika ang Creed ng Latin na word na "Filioque" (...the Father and of the Son)]
ANG NICAEA-CONSTANTINOPOLITAN CREED AY ORIGINALLY WALANG FILIOQUE NA NAKALAGAY SA GREEK ORIGINAL TEXT. SUBALIT NAGKAROON NG HERESIES SA SPAIN IN THE WEST NA NAGTUTURO NA ANG HOLY SPIRIT AY HINDI DIOS. DAHIL DITO ANG FILIOQUE AY ITINURO PARA IPAHAYAG ANG PANANAMPALATAYA THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON.
BEFORE 1054 ITO AY TINUTURO NA NG MGA MONKS AT ITO AY SUPORTADO NG MARAMING SANTO MULA SA EAST AND WEST. TO MENTION A FEW, SI ST. EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS [d. 403] NA NAGTURO THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD 'FROM THE FATHER AND THE SON' [Ek Patros kai Huiou to Pneuma] AND ST. MAXIMUS THE CONFESSOR WHO TAUGHT THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT PROCEEDS 'FROM THE FATHER THROUGH THE SON'.
LATER, NAGHARAP ANG MGA BISHOPS NG CHURCH OF ROME AT MGA EASTERN BISHOPS DURING THE COUNCIL OF FLORENCE [1438-39]. AFTER LONG AND BITTER DEBATES THE EASTERNERS WERE CONVINCED THAT THE 'FILIOQUE' IS IN HARMONY WITH THE FAITH. IT HAS BIBLICAL AND PATRISTIC FOUNDATION. SUBALIT PAGBALIK NG ILANG MGA EASTERNERS SA LUGAR NILA HINDI NILA TINUPAD ANG USAPAN. PERO ANG MGA UKRAINIANS UPHELD THE DECISIONS OF THE COUNCIL OF FLORENCE.
[Pwede ho rin ba'ng malaman ang talagang dahilan kung bakit nagkaroon ng schism sa West at sa East?]
ANG UNANG PINAGMULAN NG HINDI PAGKAKA INTINDIHAN AY POLITICAL CONFLICT. ANG EAST AY AYAW PASAKOP SA WEST. KASI FEELING NILA MAY SUPREME SILA SA EAST DAHIL DUON NILIPAT ANG CAPITAL NG ROMAN EMPIRE - FROM ROME TO CONSTANTINOPLE. SUBALIT NILINAW SA COUNCIL OF NICAEA NA HINDI POLITICAL POWER ANG SOURCE NG AUTHORITY NG ROME KUNDI ANG AUTHORITY NI CHRIST NA IBINIGAY KAY ST. PETER SA SIYANG FIRST BISHOP OF ROME.
NUONG 1054 ANG EXCOMMUNICATIONS AY NANGYARI DAHIL SA HINDI PAGKAKAINTINDIHAN NG DALAWANG GRUPO: ANG PATRIARCH MICHAEL CERULARIUS AT NI CARDINAL HUMBERTUS. THE CARDINAL EXCOMMUNICATED THE PATRIARCH AND THE PATRIARCH IN UNION WITH HIS SYNOD EXCOMMUNICATED THE CARDINAL. BUT THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS WAS NOT DIRECTED ON BOTH THE ROMAN CHURCH AND THE CHURCH OF CONSTANTINOPLE.
NUONG 1975 TINANGGAL NA NI POPE PAUL VI AT PATRIARCH ATHENAGORAS I ANG EXCOMMUNICATIONS. AT INUMPISAHAN ANG PROCESS FOR FULL UNITY.
LET US PRAY NA MAGKAISA ULI.
[Nag research po ako Fr. Abe, ngunit kinailangan ko talagang mag tanong.]
VERY GOOD. TAMA YAN. MAGRESEARCH LAGI.
[ Tsaka Katoliko po ako.]
VERY GOOD.
[Maraming salamat po!]
WELCOME. GOD BLESS YOU.
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