God sending forth His Spirit to give life to Creation
AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN JUB ALABASTRO, CFD DAVAO AND JOUN DUKZ, AN ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC.
This is a public thread in one of the forum. I deleted some posts of other persons to focus the debate between me and Joun Dukz. I also made some minor grammatical corrections on some of my sentences.
- Joun Dukz teewee i think people who believe in imaginary things,places,superpowers are the one whos weird
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Joun Dukz because atheism is not religion,it compose of free thinker people.a natural choice and self discovery.you always talk about killings,but what about your god in old testament?he is a genocidal maniac hu killed countless people from great flood to sodum and gomurah and all the killings in the bible,and if god is true then he should be executed for his crimes of humanity
Joun Dukz @armando:people hu believe in imaginary god,things,places and superpower are more idiot.
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Jub Alabastro @Joun Doukz: It is rather those who imagine that imagination is not imagination are crazier! Who do not actually deny Heaven, but wish to relocate it here on earth; who do not actually deny the spirit, but wish to serve the flesh instead.
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Jub Alabastro @Joun Doukz: Kailan pa naging kasalanan ang pumatay ng sarili kong manok? Kailan pa naging pagnanakaw ang kunin ko ang sarili kong pitaka? Cge nga Joun Doukz, on what crime will you charge God? On what Penal Code will you base the violation?
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Joun Dukz on what crime i will charge god?if god in old testament is true,he is a genocidal maniac..
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Jub Alabastro @Joun Doukz: That's your angry and personal opinion, not an objective crime. Tell me, on what grounds? How did God allegedly violate those grounds for Him to be found guilty of committing such crimes? So you want God to exist so that you can be angry at him and charged him? That's sounds like a pathetic atheist cry, not an argument AGAINST YOUR SO-CALLED IMAGINATION.
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Joun Dukz well in old testament,we all know god punish people and murder so many people like the great flood and many more.ryt?but anyway we all know that its only a myth and theres no evidence about it..superpowers are myth.you got that?r u matured man already jub?
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Joun Dukz its only your belief,imagination and opinion jub...i can live my life without thinking that theres an invisible man with superpowers that living in the sky
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Jub Alabastro @Joun Dukz: If those things are myth, why would you treat them so real and charged a "mythological" God with an "imaginary" crime which He did not commit, since first, there is NO "HE" WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME (ALLEGEDLY, HE DOES NOT EXIST) and second, there is no crime (ALLEGEDLY, THESE THINGS FLOOD, ETC. ARE MYTH?)
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Joun Dukz i didnt treat them so real,i just know the story because my former religion teach them to us.or maybe i treat dem so real but back wheni was a child.im a man now,and im old enough to believe this superpowers
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Joun Dukz i only said if incase the god in old testament is true,then he should be persecuted for his crime in humanity.but of course he is not true,so we canot charge him
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Jub Alabastro @Joun Dukz: Oh you just did..Read your posts above.
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Joun Dukz no i didnt,i use the word IF and Myth..
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Jub Alabastro Ok, granting without conceding you treat the Old Testament God as myth, I will restate my question, on what basis, and ground will you charge an "IF" God with such crime?
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Joun Dukz multiple murder.genocide.slavery and many more.he use his superpowers to kill people.like the great flood,he did it with his superpowers.and the story of sudom and gomorah where the all the city is drown,and the plague and he even promoted slavery...but i say again,this are all myth.but just incase its true,then that is his crime
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Jub Alabastro And so? If there were killings and floods and all that? How did God commit a crime? Why do you treat it as a crime? On what basis? What grounds?
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Joun Dukz cant you understand,he murder them.that is a crime.and on what ground?he murder them using his superpowers...this is just a mythical case
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Jub Alabastro Sure..sure..But for the sake of argument, mythical case, even has mythical LAWS!!! There's a saying, NULLUM CRIMEN, NULLA POENA, SINE LEGE..THERE IS NO CRIME UNLESS THERE IS A LAW PUNISHING SUCH CRIME..That's why I keep on asking you, what is your basis? On what grounds? WHICH YOU DID NOT ANSWER
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Jub Alabastro Are all killings, crime? Are all taking of the property, crime? What if I killed somebody in defense of myself, is that crime? What if I get my own wallet, will I be charged of theft? You are simply accusing JOUN DOUKZ, you have no basis.
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Joun Dukz in real world.it depend on laws and evidence.you know that
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Jub Alabastro Hahaha...In that case, God could not be subject to such a trial.. Why? Because Human laws are promulgated for HUMANS, NOT GOD! Have you heard a SNAKE SENTENCED BY OUR SUPREME COURT FOR LIFE IMPRISONMENT FOR KILLING A CHILD? Or a Cat sentenced for 6 years for stealing a fish in your plate?
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Joun Dukz yes,god is imaginary and he is not true.we cannot charge him.we cannot charge superman and other superheroes and villains because they are not true.they are myth.you get that jub?wake up,we are in real world..and in real world also,animals are exempted in our law because they canot reason out.and u know that.ryt?
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Jub Alabastro hahaha...Granting that God is real, where does any law provide that such and such law are applicable to God?
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Joun Dukz if god is real,then we can make law for him if there is a physical and material evidence.but since ur god is imaginary,well you can charge him in your imagination also...
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Jub Alabastro Ah so you're being biased if such is the case. You are changing the rules at the middle of the game just to convict God. You are tailoring a law to convict Him..It is like saying ah, since there is no law punishing a person getting his own wallet, I will craft such a law, JUST TO CONVICT HIM OF HIS PAST CRIMES BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO CONVICT HIM! I AM SO ANGRY AT HIM! I DON'T WANT HIM TO EXIST! I WANT TO CONVICT HIM INSTEAD..EVEN IF THERE IS NO LAW PUNISHING HIS CRIME, I WILL MAKE ONE INSTEAD!
Joun Dukz its just your opinion.you can say whatever you want about your god because its only an imaginary things,u can defend your god in your imaginary world.you can also file a case to god in imaginary court.but in real world whoever do a crime must be punish according to the law
Jub Alabastro hahaha..That's why I said, granting that God is real, I am not saying you admit that He is, will he be guilty of the crimes you charged him? I asked you, does the "real world law" apply to God, since it applies exclusively to man. You said, "if god is real, then we can make law for him if there is a physical and material evidence." By saying this, you are admitting that SUCH A LAW IS NOT YET OF EXISTENCE. Therefore if there is a need to make SUCH LAW PUNISHING GOD, the present "real world law" is not APPLICABLE TO GOD, making your previous accusations that HE WILL BE GUILTY OF GENOCIDE, MURDER, ETC. as baseless!
Joun Dukz Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.your god is not guilty because he did not exist and all he did is just a myth.ok?got that?
about an hour ago · LikeUnlike
Jub Alabastro Your reply is veeerrryyyyy far away from my argument. My syllogism and reasoning are very clear. Let the readers decide. I rest my case..Thank you for this friendly exchange. =)
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Joun Dukz how many time i told you that you cannot charge anyone who did not exist.and yes there is no law to charge god,because he did not exist.how can you make a law to imaginary things?and again,he is not guilty because he did not exist
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