MAY MGA SAINTS BA NA NON-EXISTING?

Artistic representation of Revelation 12 with Mary the Mother of the Messiah as the Woman Clothed with the Sun, Satan as the Ancient Dragon defeated by St. Michael the Archangel who remained faithful to God.

Fiel
said...

speaking of saints fr.
1.bakit po may mga saints na sinasabi ang ating simbahan na non-existing?

2.ano po ba ang batayan nila upang tanggalin ang mga saints na sinasabing non-existing?

3.papaano po benatify at kenanonize ang mga mga saints na mga anghel tulad ni st michael archangel, st rafael etc?

4.pwede po ba tayong magdasal sa mga saints ng mga orthodox na hindi naman kinikilalalng saints ng mga katoliko?

salamat po fr.

June 4, 2011 4:32 PM
 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS
said...

[speaking of saints fr.
1.bakit po may mga saints na sinasabi ang ating simbahan na non-existing?]

WALANG SAINTS NA NON-EXISTING.

ANG
SINASABING NON-EXISTING AY IYONG MGA HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS SHOWING THEIR
EXISTENCE KASI NABUHAY SILA NUON PA. BUT THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH
TEACHES AND TESTIFIES THAT THESE SAINTS REALLY EXISTED IS A SOLID PROOF
IN FAVOR OF THEIR EXISTENCE. REMEMBER THAT IN CASE OF DOUBT PRESUMPTION
IS ON THE SIDE OF THE AUTHORITY. THE AUTHORITY ON THIS MATTER IS THE
CHURCH AND THE CHURCH RECOGNIZES THAT THE PARTICULAR SAINT LIVED ON
EARTH AS ONE OF HER HEROIC MEMBERS IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT. IF OTHER WILL
DENY THEIR EXISTENCE IT IS THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THEM.

LET
THE DENIERS PROVE BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THOSE SAINTS REALLY
DIDN'T EXIST HISTORICALLY. FOR OUR COUNTRY IT IS THE SAME WHEN A
FOREIGNER CLAIMS THAT RAJAH SULAIMAN OR LAKANDULA WERE NOT HISTORICAL.
OUR OWN HISTORY AS A PEOPLE AND AS A NATION IS THE LIVING PROOF THAT
THEY TRULY EXISTED. THEIR EXISTENCE IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE BOOKS
WRITTEN BY FOREIGNERS.

ANOTHER THING, SINCE SOME OF OUR SAINTS
LIVED A LONG TIME AGO MANY STORIES WERE SPREAD ABOUT THEM. THE CHURCH
SIMPLY ACCEPTS THE HISTORICITY OF THEIR EXISTENCE AND THEIR SANCTITY OF
LIFE. WE ARE NOT BOUND TO DEFEND THE SO-CALLED MYTHS OR STORIES
CONNECTED WITH THEM WHICH DEVELOPED IN SOME LITERATURES.

[2.ano po ba ang batayan nila upang tanggalin ang mga saints na sinasabing non-existing?]

HINDI
SILA TINANGGAL AS SAINTS. SAINTS PA RIN SILA. WALA NAMANG GINAGAWA ANG
PAPA NA DECLARATION REVOKING THE CANONIZATION OR PROHIBITING THE
VENERATION OF THESE SAINTS. HE HE HE...

BECAUSE THERE ARE NEW AND
MORE POPULAR SAINTS SUCH AS ST. PADRE PIO, ST. FAUSTINA, ST. LORENZO DE
MANILA, BLESSED MOTHER TERESA, BLESSED JOHN XXIII AND BLESSED POPE JOHN
PAUL THE GREAT SO THE SAINTS WHO ARE NO LONGER THAT POPULAR ARE
REPLACED 'IN THE LITURGICAL CALENDAR' BY THE NEWER AND MORE POPULAR
ONES.

IN SHORT, THEY ARE NOT REMOVED AS SAINTS THEY ARE ONLY REPLACED IN THE LIST OF SAINTS IN THE CALENDAR. HE HE HE...

[3.papaano po benatify at kenanonize ang mga mga saints na mga anghel tulad ni st michael archangel, st rafael etc?]

HA
HA HA.... ANG MGA SAINTS NA NASA BIBLE JUST LIKE THE ANGELS, THE VIRGIN
MARY, ST. JOSEPH, ST. PETER AND ST. PAUL, ETC. DO NOT NEED
CANONIZATION. IT WAS GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE BIBLE ITSELF WHO
CANONIZED THEM. THEY ARE ALREADY CONSIDERED AS SAINTS DUE TO SOLID
TESTIMONIES OF THEIR HOLINESS OR FIDELITY TO GOD AS RECORDED IN SACRED
SCRIPTURES.

FOR INSTANCE, REV. 12:9 STATES THAT ST. MICHAEL WAS
THE ONE WHO DEFEATED SATAN DURING THE REBELLION IN HEAVEN. IT MEANS ST.
MICHAEL WAS FAITHFUL TO GOD AS SATAN WAS A TRAITOR. SO, HE IS A SAINT IN
HEAVEN. SAINT MEANS 'HOLY' AND HEROICALLY LIVED FAITHFULLY TO GOD.

[4.pwede po ba tayong magdasal sa mga saints ng mga orthodox na hindi naman kinikilalalng saints ng mga katoliko?]

WELL,
ALMOST ALL OF CATHOLIC SAINTS AND ORTHODOX SAINTS ARE RECOGNIZED BY
BOTH SIDE ESPECIALLY THE SAINTS DURING THE FIRST 1,000 YEARS OF
CHRISTIANITY WHEN WE WERE STILL UNITED. LIKE STS. ATHANASIUS, CYRIL OF
ALEXANDRIA, JOHN CHRYSOSTOM, ETC. WE ARE NEITHER PROHIBITED TO VENERATE
THEIR NEW SAINTS NOR WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO DO SO.

         [salamat po fr.]



         WELCOME



 

June 6, 2011 2:00 PM

TUGON SA MGA MALING ARAL NI MAMA ELI by Bro. Marwil Llasos

The Ark of the Covenant in Procession

Bro. Marwil,

Pax Christi!

Narito po ang mga katanungan bro:

-Sa bibliya daw po ay ang pinagpipista lamang ay Diyos at wala daw pong pinagpiyestahan na tao. Bakit daw po tayo mas marami pang piyesta ang mga tao kaysa piyestang para sa Diyos. Saan daw po nasusulat na dapt ipagpiyesta ang mga tao?

- Bakit daw po ipinagdiriwang pa ang all saint's day? Ito daw po ay imbensiyong aral ng mga Kastila at gabi pa daw po pinupuntahan ng mga tao dahil gustong-gusto daw po ng mga Kastila ang gabi. Ewa ko po ano ibig tukuyin ni Ingkong Pantas.

- Wala daw pong iprinusisyon na rebulto o larawan sa bibiliya. Bakit daw po tayo ay mahilig magprusisiyon ng mga larawan at rebulto?

Ito lamang po Bro. Maraming salamat po sa inyong patuloy na sigasig sa pagtatanggol ng ating pananampalataya!

Arjay




SAGOT:

-Sa bibliya daw po ay ang pinagpipista lamang ay Diyos at wala daw pong pinagpiyestahan na tao. Bakit daw po tayo mas marami pang piyesta ang mga tao kaysa piyestang para sa Diyos. Saan daw po nasusulat na dapt ipagpiyesta ang mga tao?

ANG PIYESTA NG MGA SANTO AY HINDI NAKATUON SA SANTO O TAO MISMO. LAHAT NG PIYESTA AY NAKATUON SA DIOS. BOBO KASI SA LITURHIYA SI SORIANO. TINGNAN MO ANG ROMAN MISSAL PARA MAKITA MO NA ANG KAPISTAHAN NG MGA SANTO AY PASASALAMAT SA DIOS SA PAGBIBIGAY SA ATIN NG MGA HALIMBAWA. KAWAWA ANG KABOBOHAN NI MAMA ELI. WALANG MUWANG.

- Bakit daw po ipinagdiriwang pa ang all saint's day? Ito daw po ay imbensiyong aral ng mga Kastila at gabi pa daw po pinupuntahan ng mga tao dahil gustong-gusto daw po ng mga Kastila ang gabi. Ewa ko po ano ibig tukuyin ni Ingkong Pantas.

KABOBOHAN NA NAMAN ITO NI MAMA ELI. ANO ANG KINALAMAN NG MGA KASTILA SA ALL SAINTS DAY? WALA. KASI ANG PAGDIRIWANG NG ALL SAINTS DAY AY UTOS NG SANTO PAPA AT NASA ROMAN CALENDAR. HA HA HA. BOBO NA NAMAN SA KASAYSAYAN.

ANONG GABI PINAGSASABI NG SODOMITANG IYAN? SIEMPRE MAY PAGLALAMAY SA GABI. MERON BA NAMANG LAMAY SA UMAGA? TATANGA TANGA TALAGA SI MAMA ELI. PARANG GUSTO MAG NIGHT SWIMMING SA UMAGA. HA HA HA. UGOK TALAGA.

- Wala daw pong iprinusisyon na rebulto o larawan sa bibiliya. Bakit daw po tayo ay mahilig magprusisiyon ng mga larawan at rebulto?

DIYAN LUMALABAS ANG KAMANGMANGAN NI MAMA ELI SA BIBLIA. ILLITERATE KASI. ANO ANG DESKRIPSIYON NG KABAN NG TIPAN SA BIBLIA? DI BA MAY DALAWANG REBULTO NG KERUBIN? AT IYON ANG IPINUPRUSISYON. II SAM. 6:1-5. HAY! BOBO TALAGA! BOBO!

Ito lamang po Bro. Maraming salamat po sa inyong patuloy na sigasig sa pagtatanggol ng ating pananampalataya!

KATANUNGAN TUNGKOL SA HANDAAN AT KAUGALIAN TUWING ALL SAINTS DAY

The Lord Jesus and the Saints

Good day father,

Ask lang po ako father, but po pag-araw nang mga patay, kadalasan especially sa probinsya may handaan pa na nagaganap, at may itatabi pa para daw sa mga kaluluwa.

thank you po father.

God bless you always father.

junbacalando


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Dear Bro. Juneval,

Please bear in mind that Nov. 1 is a FEAST. Yan ay FIESTA in honor of ALL THE SAINTS. So, we celebrate them joyfully. We eat and drink. It's a celebration of a great feast.

Now, it so happened that the following day is ALL SOULS DAY [Nov 2]. So, at the same time we pray for our dead hoping that they too will be given the grace to be in heaven and be included among the saints.

Now, the food being set aside for the dead is NOT a Catholic Doctrine. That is just a pious act of love done by our people. It is just a gesture expressing our love and affection of the beloved departed. We express our intense love that we miss them and we show that even if they are gone here on earth they are still part of our family, of our life and that we still consider them part of our home and food. Just like when a beloved died. Usually we still keep his clothes, we still arrange his bed, we still prepare his room as if he will return soon. It is just a loving expression of deep longing for that beloved. Surely the dead will not be able to eat the food or lay on the bed or enjoy the comfort of the room. We are doing it as expressions of love.

I hope I clarify that matter for you.

Fr. Abe, CRS

ALL SAINTS DAY!

The Lord Jesus sits as the Eternal King surrounded by Saints from various places and era.

Revelation 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"