Goodmoring po.
I dont consider the protestants and your mama eli..
objectively speaking lang po..=)
una salamat po sa sagot..
ang sagot niyo sa tanong ay - PAREHONG TAMA..i AGREE! =)
followup question..
sabi niyo po sa kabilang usapan na ang Roman, Apostolic at Catholic ay ADJECTIVES..
nais ko po lamang na reiterate..
ngayon
po..TAMA po ba na sabihin ko na ang PINAKA - TAMA na pangalan ay
IGLESIA NG DIOS o EKKLESIA TOU THEO..at yung KATH'OLES, Roman,
Apostolic, Holy pawang mga adjective sa IGLESIA NG DIOS?
tama po ba?.jpg "Fr. Abe, CRS")
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
[ngayon po..TAMA po ba na sabihin ko na ang PINAKA - TAMA na pangalan ay IGLESIA NG DIOS o EKKLESIA TOU THEO..]
ANG
CHURCH OF GOD IS ONLY ONE OF THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CHURCH GIVEN AND
THERE IS NO STATEMENT IN THE BIBLE THAT IT IS THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE
CHURCH. IT IS NOT BIBLICAL TO CLAIM NA ITO ANG PINAKA-TAMA. HAKA-HAKA MO
LANG IYAN.
ACTUALY, HISTORICALLY ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES ANG
NAGING PINAKASIKAT NA TAWAG SA SANTA IGLESIA NA GINAMIT NG MGA GREEK
SPEAKING CHRISTIANS IN ROME AND IN THE ENTIRE ROMAN EMPIRE. ANG CHURCH
OF GOD AY LATER NA LANG GINAWANG PANLOKO NI MAMA ELI AT NG MGA
PROTESTANTE. EKKLESIA KATH'OLES AT CHRISTIANISMO ANG MAS KINILALA NG
KASAYSAYAN.
[at yung KATH'OLES, Roman, Apostolic, Holy pawang mga adjective sa IGLESIA NG DIOS?]
ANG
IGLESIA NG DIOS AT MGA IGLESIA NI CRISTO AY ILAN LANG SA MGA ITINAWAG
SA IISANG TUNAY NA IGLESIA NA TINATAG NI CRISTO... SUBALIT ANG TALAGANG
GINAMIT NG HUSTO NG MGA UNANG CRISTIANO AY EKKLESIA KATH'OLES.
[tama po ba?]
MALI. KASI NGA HINDI TINURO NG BIBLIA NA PINAKA ANG TAWAG NA "CHURCH OF GOD". ANONG BASEHAN MO SA PINAKA?
mdizon-cool
said...
so you mean BIBLICALY SPEAKING..mas tama ang Catholic Church instead kaysa sa Church of God?
kung pipili ka ng Pangalan ng Church dpat Catholic hindi Church of God?
biblicaly speaking...???
regarding po sa sabi niyo n..
"..ACTUALY, HISTORICALLY ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES ANG NAGING PINAKASIKAT NA TAWAG SA SANTA IGLESIA.."
did you mean historically based from bible? based from apostles..???
kasi
nababasa ko lalu from St. Paul, who is an apostle to the
gentiles..CHURCH OF CHRIST or CHURCH OF GOD sinasabi..NAPAKADAMING
VERSES..
saan sinabi ni St. Paul na Iglesia Catholica? or yung KATH'OLES..
sa roma?
sa Corinto?
sa Tesalonica?
sa Galacia?
kay Timoteo?
saan po?
pakisagot..again be objective..salamat po..
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
[so you mean BIBLICALY SPEAKING..mas tama ang Catholic Church instead kaysa sa Church of God?]
ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES AY MAS NAUNANG TAWAG SA SANTA IGLESIA DAHIL ITO ANG ITINAWAG SA KANYA SA ISRAEL PA LAMANG.
SINABI KO NA SAYONG PAREHONG TAMA. WALA AKONG SINABING 'MAS TAMA'... IKAW ANG GUMAWA NG 'PINAKA' NA WALA SA BIBLIA.
[kung pipili ka ng Pangalan ng Church dpat Catholic hindi Church of God?]
BAKIT
AKO ANG TINATANONG MO E AKO BA ANG PUMILI NIYON? ITANONG MO YAN SA MGA
APOSTLES NA EKKLESIA KATH'OLES ANG UNANG ITINAWAG. SISIHIN MO ANG MGA
GREEK SPEAKING CHRISTIANS OF THE FIRST CENTURY.
[biblicaly speaking...???]
BAKIT WALA BA SA BIBLIA ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES? NASA BIBLIA, AT NASA ORIGINAL NA BIBLIA PA... KOINE GREEK PA MISMO NG NEW TESTAMENT. O ANONG PROBLEMA MO? HE HE HE...
[regarding po sa sabi niyo n..
"..ACTUALY, HISTORICALLY ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES ANG NAGING PINAKASIKAT NA TAWAG SA SANTA IGLESIA.."
did you mean historically based from bible? based from apostles..???]
YES,
BASED FROM THE BIBLE AND FROM THE APOSTLES DAHIL ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES
AY NASA BIBLE AT NASA ACTS OF THE A-P-O-S-T-L-E-S. HE HE HE... HINDI MO
MAINTINDIHAN YUNG ACTS OF THE APOSTLES? HE HE HE... LAHAT NA NG
APOSTOLES YON. HE HE HE... BAKIT HINDI MO BA ALAM NA ANG ACTS OF THE APOSTLES AY NASA BIBLIA AT PINAGTIBAY NG MGA APOSTOLES? HE HE HE...
[kasi nababasa ko lalu from St. Paul,
who is an apostle to the gentiles..CHURCH OF CHRIST or CHURCH OF GOD
sinasabi..NAPAKADAMING VERSES..]
HA HA HA... ST. PAUL LANG IYON. HE IS ONLY ONE OF THE APOSTLES.
ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES AY NASA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES... PLURAL IYON.
LAHAT NG APOSTOLES AY REPRESENTED DUON. HE HE HE...
[saan sinabi ni St. Paul na Iglesia Catholica? or yung KATH'OLES..]
SA
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES. WAG MONG SABIHIN NA HINDI TANGGAP NI SAN PABLO
ANG ACTS OF THE APOSTLES. HE HE HE... BAKIT HINDI BA APOSTOL SI SAN PABLO? BAKIT WALA BA SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES SI SAN PABLO? HE HE HE...
[sa roma?]
KAMI NGA IYONG MGA CHRISTIANS SA ROME. WE ARE THE ROMAN CHURCH. HE HE HE... HINDI KAYO. HE HE HE...
[sa Corinto?]
CATHOLICS DIN ANG MGA CHRISTIANS SA CORINTH. HE HE HE...
[sa Tesalonica?]
CATHOLICS DIN ANG MGA CHRISTIANS SA THESSALONIKA. HE HE HE
[sa Galacia?]
CATHOLICS DIN ANG MGA CHRISTIANS SA GALACIA. HE HE HE...
[kay Timoteo?]
KASAMA
SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES SI TIMOTEO. KAYA SAKOP NA SIYA DUON. ALAM NA NI
TIMOTEO YON KAYA HINDI NA KAILANGANG ULITIN. HA HA HA... NAKALAGAY SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES SI PABLO, BERNABE, MARCO, LUCAS AT TIMOTEO. HE HE HE... HINDI MO BA ALAM YON?
[saan po?]
SA
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES. LAHAT NA NG APOSTLES AY REPRESENTED DUON. KAYO
SIGURO HINDI KASAMA DUON KASI RECENTLY INVENTED LANG ANG SEKTA NYO. HE
HE HE...
mdizon-cool
said...
sabi niyo po kasi POPULAR..
ilang bese ginamit sa Acts of the Apostles?
ang ukol kay San Pablo sabi nioy po..
"..HA HA HA... ST. PAUL LANG IYON"..ni lang-lang ba si San Pablo..hehe..=)
i said sa roma..sa corinto..sa tesalonica..sa galacia..??? meron bang nabanggit na "Catholic" o "KATH'OLES" si San Pablo?
diba
si San Pablo Apostle sa Gentiles? so tlgng siya ang magandang source ng
information about the church nung lumalaganap n ang Cristinismo..
sabi
mo sa Roma.."..KAMI NGA IYONG MGA CHRISTIANS SA ROME. WE ARE THE ROMAN
CHURCH. HE HE HE... HINDI KAYO. HE HE HE..." --- kayo ba yon?
palagay hindi ka kasama don..ang tanong ko, saan sinabi sa Roma na "KATH'OLES"???
ang other question po..nong naisulat ang sulat sa Roma ni San Pablo..PAPA NAba si San Pedro?
salamat po..
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
[sabi niyo po kasi POPULAR..]
TALAGANG POPULAR. SIKAT NA SIKAT
YAN DAHIL ESTIMATEDLY 1.3 BILLION MEMBERS NIYAN ALL OVER THE WORLD. ANG
CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL NI MAMA ELI AT NG MGA PROTESTANTS E HINDI
KILALA LIBAN NA LANG NG MGA BALIW NILANG MGA TAGASUNOD. HE HE HE...
[ilang bese ginamit sa Acts of the Apostles?]
A
GANON PALA ANG BASEHAN MO NG POPULAR. NAKADEPENDE SA KUNG ILANG BESES
GINAMIT SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES. SAAN NAKASULAT SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES
NA ANG POPULARITY NG ISANG BAGAY AY NAKA DEPENDE SA KUNG ILANG BESES
GINAMIT IYON SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES? HE HE HE...
[ang ukol kay San Pablo sabi nioy po..
"..HA HA HA... ST. PAUL LANG IYON"..ni lang-lang ba si San Pablo..hehe..=)]
HA
HA HA... MAS OBVIOUS NAMAN NA KAMI ANG MAS HIGIT NA NAG PAPARANGAL KAY
SAN PABLO KESA SA SEKTA MONG PULPOL. HE HE HE... ANG LANG AY HINDI PARA
IBABA SI SAN PABLO KUNDI ISANG APOSTOL LANG ANG NAGBANGGIT NG CHURCH OF
GOD SAMANTALANG ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES AY NABANGGIT SA AKLAT NA TAGLAY
ANG AUTHORITY NG LAHAT NG APOSTOLES... ACTS OF THE APOSTLES. HE HE HE...
[i said sa roma..sa corinto..sa tesalonica..sa galacia..??? meron bang nabanggit na "Catholic" o "KATH'OLES" si San Pablo?]
SIEMPRE
MERON. DAHIL ANG ACTS OF THE APOSTLES AY BINABASA NG MGA CRISTIANO SA
ROMA, CORINTO, TESSALONICA... SA ORIGINAL NA WIKANG GRIEGO DAHIL GREEK
SPEAKING SILA. ALANGAN NAMANG HINDI BINABASA ANG ACTS OF THE APOSTLES SA
PAGSAMBA NG MGA UNANG CRISTIANO. HE HE HE... BAKIT HINDI BA KABILANG SI
PABLO SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES? E NANDUON SI PABLO E. HE HE HE... ANG
EKKLESIA KATH'OLES ANG DINALA NI PABLO SA ROMA AT IBA PANG LUGAR NA
DINALAW NIYA.
[diba si San Pablo Apostle sa Gentiles? so tlgng
siya ang magandang source ng information about the church nung
lumalaganap n ang Cristinismo..]
ST. PAUL IS AN APOSTLE TO THE
GENTILES BUT NOT "THE ONLY APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES". BAGO NAGING APOSTLE
SI SAN PABLO SI SAN PEDRO AY INATASAN NG DIOS PARA SA MGA HENTIL. AT
ISA LAMANG SI PABLO NA SOURCE OF INFORMATION BUT NOT "THE ONLY SOURCE OF
INFORMATION". KAYA NGA ANG BEST SOURCE OF INFORMATION AY ANG "ACTS OF
THE APOSTLES"... HA HA HA...
[sabi mo sa Roma.."..KAMI NGA
IYONG MGA CHRISTIANS SA ROME. WE ARE THE ROMAN CHURCH. HE HE HE... HINDI
KAYO. HE HE HE..." --- kayo ba yon?]
YES, KAMI YON. BAKIT SINO SA PALAGAY MO KAYO? HA HA HA HA...
[palagay hindi ka kasama don..]
E
BALIW KA PALA E. SIEMPRE MGA NINUNO NAMING BUHAY NOON ANG KASAMA RON
SUBALIT KABILANG KAMI SA IGLESIA NG ROMA AT KAMI ANG TAGAPAGMANA NG
KANILANG PANANAMPALATAYA AT HINDI KAYO. HE HE HE...
[ang tanong ko, saan sinabi sa Roma na "KATH'OLES"???]
E DI SA ACTS OF THE APOSTLES. ANG FAITH NG EKKLESIA KATHOLES AY DINALA MULA JERUSALEM HANGGANG ROMA. HE HE HE...
Act
23:11 At nang sumunod na gabi ay lumapit sa kaniya ang Panginoon, at
sinabi, Laksan mo ang iyong loob: sapagka't kung paano ang pagkapatotoo
mo tungkol sa akin sa Jerusalem, ay kailangang patotohanan mo rin gayon
sa Roma.
HA HA HA... YAN ANG DAHILAN KAYA ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES
AY NAPUNTA SA ROMA. DAHIL INUTOS NG PANGINOONG DIOS NA ANG
PANANAMPALATAYA AT ANG SANTA IGLESIA NA EKKLESIA KATH'OLES AY DALHIN
MULA ISRAEL PATUNGONG ROMA. KAYA ANG CHURCH SA ROMA AY EKKLESIA
KATHOLES. HE HE HE...
[ang other question po..nong naisulat ang sulat sa Roma ni San Pablo..PAPA NAba si San Pedro?]
OO. PAPA NA SI SAN PEDRO NUON. BAKIT MAY ANGAL?
[salamat po..]
WELCOME.
Showing posts with label Ekklesia Kath'oles. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Ekklesia Kath'oles. Show all posts
Thursday, August 11, 2011
MORE ON EKKLESIA KATH'OLES AND CHURCH OF GOD
Tuesday, August 9, 2011
ALIN ANG TUNAY CHURCH OF GOD O EKKLESIA KATH'OLES?
The Catholic Church's Basilica of the Agony right in Gethsemane... The true Church is well-rooted in the place where it came from.
anong tama based form the bible..
Church of God/Christ o Catholic church?
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
[anong tama based form the bible..
Church of God/Christ o Catholic church?]
ANG
TAMA MULA SA ORIGINAL NA BIBLIA AY EKKLESIA TOU THEOU AT EKKLESIA
KATH'OLES. PAREHONG TAMA YON. ANG EKKLESIA TOU THEO [church of God] ay
siya ring EKKLESIA KATH'OLES.
MAS NAUNANG GINAMIT ANG EKKLESIA
KATH'OLES DAHIL ITO ANG ITINAWAG SA SANTA IGLESIA NUONG ANG MGA MIEMBRO
NITO AY NAKA FOCUS PA LANG SA GALILEA, JUDEA AT SAMARIA.
ANG
CHURCH OF GOD NI MAMA ELI AT NG MGA PROTETANTE HINDI CHURCH OF GOD DAHIL
IMBENTO LANG NI MAMA ELI AT NG MGA PROTESTANTE. HINDI RIN EKKLESIA
KATH'OLES DAHIL HINDI GALING SA GALILEA, JUDEA AT SAMARIA. HINDI PORKE
GINAMIT ANG TERM SA BIBLE E SILA NA ANG TUNAY. ANG PEKE KAHIT GUMAMIT NG
WORD OR PHRASE MULA SA BIBLE AY PEKE PA RIN.PARANG AHAS YAN E. KAHIT SUMUOT SA DAMIT NG TAO AHAS PA RIN.
Monday, August 8, 2011
KATANUNGAN HINGGIL SA PAGKILANLAN SA TUNAY NA IGLESIA
The Catholic Basilica of the Nativity in Judea, Israel... Truly Ekklesia Kath'oles in Galilea, Judea and Samaria... Real and Proven.
question po: im not ADD..
pero based on the statement ang tanong ko po ay..
yung bang "EKKLESIA KATH'OLES" hindi ba yun ang IGlesia ng Dios?
You said that "ROMAN, APOSTOLIC, ETC. YUN AY MGA ADJECTIVES DESCRIBING THE NATURE OF THE CHURCH."
adjectives yung roman apostolic..eyung "Kat'holes" o Univeral???
I
think Church of God, or Church of the Lord, Church of Jesus Christ..mas
ayos..kasi mas marami nganon sa biblia..care of St. Paul..at yung
church nayon..Universal, Holy, International..etc..alahat na ng makaDios
at tamang Adjective na angkop.. =)
pakisagot po..salamat..
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
[question po: im not ADD..]
REALLY? HOW NICE OF YOU. HE HE HE...
pero based on the statement ang tanong ko po ay..
[yung bang "EKKLESIA KATH'OLES" hindi ba yun ang IGlesia ng Dios?]
SIEMPRE
YUN DIN. SUBALIT ANG SABI ANG EKKLESIA KATH'OLES NA SIYANG IGLESIA NG
DIOS AY NASA GALILEA, SAMARIA AND JUDEA HINDI SA APALIT, PAMPANGA...
KAYA PEKE AT SA DEMONIO ANG SEKTA NI MAMA ELI SORIANO DAHIL GINAGAMIT
ANG TAWAG SA TUNAY NA IGLESIA KAHIT PEKE SIYA. HE HE HE... GAYON DIN ANG MGA PROTESTANT SECTS NA MAY GANYANG PANGALAN NA INIMBENTO LANG SA ESTADOS UNIDOS.
[You said that "ROMAN, APOSTOLIC, ETC. YUN AY MGA ADJECTIVES DESCRIBING THE NATURE OF THE CHURCH."
adjectives yung roman apostolic..eyung "Kat'holes" o Univeral???]
YES,
IT IS ALSO ADJECTIVES KAYA NGA KUNG KUKUMPLETOHIN MO ANG DESCRIPTION AY
HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH. KAMI PA RIN ANG TINUTUKOY AT
HINDI ANG SEKTA NI MAMA ELI THE HOMOSEXUAL RAPIST HIDING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
[I think Church of God, or Church of the Lord, Church of Jesus Christ..mas ayos..]
KUNG
YAN AY MAS AYOS SA IYO OPINION MO LANG YAN. ANG MGA UNANG CRISTIANO AY
MAS PINILI ANG HOLY CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH BILANG PANTAWAG SA
IGLESIANG ITINATAG NG PANGINOONG JESUS.
[kasi mas marami
nganon sa biblia..care of St. Paul..at yung church nayon..Universal,
Holy, International..etc..alahat na ng makaDios at tamang Adjective na
angkop.. =)]
PARA SA MGA SEKTANG BAGONG LITAW KAILANGAN NILANG
GAMITIN KUNG ANO ANG NAKASULAT SA BIBLIA KASI PEKE SILA. THEY ARE USING
THE BIBLE PARA PAGTAKPAN ANG KANILANG PAGIGING HUWAD. SUBALIT ANG TUNAY
NA IGLESIA NA BINUBUO NG MGA GREEK SPEAKING CHRISTIANS OF ROME, EPHESUS,
GALATIA, THESSALONIKA... THEY PREFERRED TO CALL IT "EKKLESIA KATHO'LES"
NA NAGING POPULAR NA TAWAG SA IGLESIANG ITINATAG NI CRISTO AT PINALAWIG
NG MGA APOSTOLES SA GALILEA, JUDEA AT SAMARIA... HANGGANG SA ROMA AT
ANG MGA KASAPING SIYUDAD NITO.
ANG MGA DEMONIONG NAGTATAG NG
BAGONG RELIHIYON SA APALIT, PAMPANGA NA PAG-AARI NI MAMA ELI SORIANO AT
NG PAMANGKIN NIYA NA SI DANIEL RAZON AY WALANG KARAPATANG GAMITIN ANG
"IGLESIA NG DIOS" SA KANILANG SEKTA.
[pakisagot po..salamat..]
WELCOME.
Wednesday, August 3, 2011
ANG PANGALAN NG TUNAY NA IGLESIA
Saan ba mababasa ang iglesia katolika apostolika romana sa biblia??eh
ang dami nkasulat na iglesia ng Dios eh.anong talata?pkisagot po thanks
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
ANG OFFICIAL NA PANGALAN NG AMING IGLESIA AY 'CATHOLIC CHURCH'... YUNG
HOLY, ROMAN, APOSTOLIC, ETC. YUN AY MGA ADJECTIVES DESCRIBING THE NATURE
OF THE CHURCH.
ITO ANG PINAGMULAN NG AMING PANGALAN NA HINALAW
MULA SA ORIGINAL GREEK NEW TESTAMENT HINGGIL SA BUHAY NG SANTA IGLESIA
NUONG PANAHON NG MGA APOSTOL:
THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES REFERS TO
THE CHURCH THROUGH GALILEE, JUDEA, SAMARIA... AS "EKKLESIA CATHOLES"
i.e., CATHOLIC CHURCH or in literal translation: "The Church throughout"
= Universal.
THIS IS THE GREEK RENDERING OF THE ORIGINAL VERSE:
Act
9:31 Αἱ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησίαι καθ᾿ ὅλης τῆς ᾿Ιουδαίας καὶ Γαλιλαίας
καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχον εἰρήνην οἰκοδομούμεναι καὶ πορευόμεναι τῷ
φόβῳ τοῦ Κυρίου, καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ ῾Αγίου Πνεύματος
ἐπληθύνοντο. [Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Ioudaias kai
Galalaias kai Samarias...]
ANG TUNAY NA PANGALAN NG SANTA IGLESIA
AY HINDI GALING SA TAGALOG O ENGLISH BIBLE KUNDI SA GREEK BIBLE NA
ORIGINAL AT ISINAGAWA ITO NUON PANG PANAHON NG MGA APOSTLES. HINDI
PEKE AT NEWLY INVENTED ANG NAME NG CHURCH NAMIN NA KAGAYA SA INYO.
YUNG
SINASABI MONG CHURCH OF GOD HINDI KAYO ANG TINUTUKOY NON. KASI YUNG
PANGALAN NA IYAN AY GINAMIT NYO LANG NUNG MATALO SI MAMA ELI SA KASO SA
KORTE. ISA PA ANG OFFICIAL NA PANGALAN NYO AY "CHURCH OF GOD
INTERNATIONAL". SAAN MAMABABASA ANG CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL? E HINDI
NGA KAYO INTERNATIONAL. HE HE HE...
Tuesday, June 7, 2011
CATHOLIC BA ANG TUNAY NA PANGALAN NG SANTA IGLESIA BAGO PA ANG GREAT SCHISM NG CATHOLIC AT ORTHODOX?
The Church of the Beatitudes on the northern coast of the Sea of Galilee. This is one of the ancient House of Worships of the Catholic Church in the Holy Land.
Fiel
said...
salamat po fr. abe sa pag sagot mo sa tanong ko about the saints.
may
tanong pa po ako fr. nung hindi pa nagkaroon ng great schism between
orthodox ang catholic(east and west), catholic church po ba tawag sa
lahat ng simbahan(christian church)? nung nagkaroon ng great schism lang
ba tinawag na na orthodox church ang simbahan sa west? slamat po fr.
pagpalain nawa kayo ng Diyos.
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
[salamat po fr. abe sa pag sagot mo sa tanong ko about the saints.]
WELCOME.
[may
tanong pa po ako fr. nung hindi pa nagkaroon ng great schism between
orthodox ang catholic(east and west), catholic church po ba tawag sa
lahat ng simbahan(christian church)?]
SIEMPRE CATHOLIC. IT WAS
THE PARTICULAR NAME OF THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS AND
SPREAD BY THE APOSTLES IN THEIR EVANGELIZATION.
THE ACTS OF THE
APOSTLES REFERS TO THE CHURCH THROUGH GALILEE, JUDEA, SAMARIA... AS
"EKKLESIA CATHOLES" i.e., CATHOLIC CHURCH or in literal translation:
"The Church throughout" = Universal.
THIS IS THE GREEK RENDERING OF THE ORIGINAL VERSE:
Act
9:31 Αἱ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησίαι καθ᾿ ὅλης τῆς ᾿Ιουδαίας καὶ
Γαλιλαίας καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχον εἰρήνην οἰκοδομούμεναι καὶ
πορευόμεναι τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ Κυρίου, καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ
῾Αγίου Πνεύματος ἐπληθύνοντο. [Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes
Ioudaias kai Galalaias kai Samarias...]
ANG TUNAY NA PANGALAN NG
SANTA IGLESIA AY HINDI GALING SA TAGALOG O ENGLISH BIBLE KUNDI SA GREEK
BIBLE NA ORIGIHINAL AT ISINAGAWA ITO NUON PANG PANAHON NG MGA APOSTLES.
HINDI PEKE AT NEWLY INVENTED ANG NAME NG CHURCH NATIN.
[nung nagkaroon ng great schism lang ba tinawag na na orthodox church ang simbahan sa west?]
YES.
DAHIL ANG OFFICIAL NA NAME NG SANTA IGLESIA SA BUONG MUNDO AY CATHOLIC
CHURCH. IN PARTICULAR ANG TAWAG SA MGA LOCAL CHURCHES AY BASED ON THE
PLACE WHERE IT IS EXISTING FOR INSTANCE: CHURCH OF ROME, CHURCH OF
JERUSALEM, CHURCH OF ANTIOCH, CHURCH OF EPHESUS, ETC. PERO ANG UNIVERSAL
NAME AS ONE AND AS A WHOLE IS 'CATHOLIC CHURCH'. ITO AY PINATUTUNAYAN
NG MGA LUMANG MGA DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONIES OF EARLY CHRISTIAN BISHOPS,
WRITERS AND SCHOLARS:
"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as
Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the
apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the
appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church
without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is
[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted
it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be;
by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the
bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever
Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch,
Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).
"[A]ll the people
wondered that there should be such a difference between the unbelievers
and the elect, of whom this most admirable Polycarp was one, having in
our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the
Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. For every word that went out of his
mouth either has been or shall yet be accomplished." Martyrdom of
Polycarp, 16:2 (A.D. 155).
“…to be in honour however with the
Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline...one to
the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul's name
to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be
received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be
mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing
the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church...But of Arsinous,
called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all.”
The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).
"[N]or does it consist in
this, that he should again falsely imagine, as being above this [fancied
being], a Pleroma at one time supposed to contain thirty, and at
another time an innumerable tribe of Aeons, as these teachers who are
destitute of truly divine wisdom maintain; while the Catholic Church
possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have
already said." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10,3 (A.D. 180).
“For
it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of
Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in
the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the church of Rome under the
episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever
restless curiosity, with which they even infected the brethren, they
were more than once expelled.” Tertullian, On the Prescription Against
Heretics, 22,30 (A.D. 200).
”Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the
Church in the bishop; and if any one be not with the bishop, that he is
not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep
in, not having peace with God's priests, and think that they communicate
secretly with some; while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not
cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the
cement of priests who cohere with one another.” Cyprian, To Florentius,
Epistle 66/67 (A.D. 254).
“But for those who say, There was when
He was not, and, Before being born He was not, and that He came into
existence out of nothing, or who assert that the Son of God is of a
different hypostasis or substance...these the Catholic and apostolic
Church anathematizes.” Creed of Nicea (A.D. 325).
"Concerning
those who call themselves Cathari, if they come over to the Catholic and
Apostolic Church, the great and holy Synod decrees that they who are
ordained shall continue as they are in the clergy. But it is before all
things necessary that they should profess in writing that they will
observe and follow the dogmas of the Catholic and Apostolic Church; in
particular that they will communicate with persons who have been twice
married, and with those who having lapsed in persecution have had a
period [of penance] laid upon them, and a time [of restoration] fixed so
that in all things they will follow the dogmas of the Catholic
Church..." Council of Nicaea I (A.D. 325).
“Concerning this Holy
Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy, 'That thou mayest know haw thou
oughtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of
the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth'” Cyril of Jerusalem,
Catechetical Lectures,18:25(A.D. 350).
"[T]he Article, In one
Holy Catholic Church,' on which, though one might say many things, we
will speak but briefly. It is called Catholic then because it extends
over all the world, from one end of the earth to the other; and because
it teaches universally and completely one and all the doctrines which
ought to come to men's knowledge, concerning things both visible and
invisible, heavenly and earthly… for this cause the Faith has securely
delivered to thee now the Article, And in one Holy Catholic Church;'
that thou mayest avoid their wretched meetings, and ever abide with the
Holy Church Catholic in which thou wast regenerated. And if ever thou
art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord's House is
(for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens
houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the
Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the
mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the
Only-begotten Son of God.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures,
18:23,26 (A.D. 350).
"I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy
Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the remission of sins, the
resurrection of the flesh, and eternal life. Amen." Apostles Creed (A.D.
360).
"And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the life-giver, Who
proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son is together
worshiped and together glorified, Who spoke through the prophets; in one
holy Catholic, and apostolic Church." Constantinopolitan Creed (A.D.
381).
"Those who from heresy turn to orthodoxy, and to the portion of those
who are being saved, we receive according to the following method and
custom: Arians, and Macedonians, and Sabbatians, and Novatians, who call
themselves Cathari or Aristori, and Quarto-decimans or Tetradites, and
Apollinarians, we receive, upon their giving a written renunciation [of
their errors] and anathematize every heresy which is not in accordance
with the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church of God." Council of
Constantinople I, Canon 7 (A.D. 381).
“We must hold to the
Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic
and which is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by
all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk
about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they
call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood
unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs
in her regard.” Augustine, The True Religion, 7:12 (A.D. 390).
“Inasmuch,
I repeat, as this is the case, we believe also in the Holy Church,
[intending thereby] assuredly the Catholic. For both heretics and
schismatics style their congregations churches. But heretics, in holding
false opinions regarding God, do injury to the faith itself; while
schismatics, on the other hand, in wicked separations break off from
brotherly charity, although they may believe just what we believe.
Wherefore neither do the heretics belong to the Church catholic, which
loves God; nor do the schismatics form a part of the same.” Augustine,
On Faith and Creed, 10:21 (A.D. 393).
"For in the Catholic
Church, not to speak of the purest wisdom, to the knowledge of which a
few spiritual, men attain in this life…--not to speak of this wisdom,
which you do not believe to be in the Catholic Church, there are many
other things which most justly keep me in her bosom. The consent of
peoples and nations…so does her authority…the succession of
priests…[a]nd so, lastly, does the name itself of Catholic, which, not
without reason, amid so many heresies, the Church has thus retained; so
that, though all heretics wish to be called Catholics, yet when a
stranger asks where the Catholic Church meets, no heretic will venture
to point to his own chapel or house. Such then in number and importance
are the precious ties belonging to the Christian name which keep a
believer in the Catholic Church…Now if the truth is so clearly proved as
to leave no possibility of doubt, it must be set before all the things
that keep me in the Catholic Church…For my part, I should not believe
the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church…for
it was through the Catholics that I got my faith in it; and so, whatever
you bring from the gospel will no longer have any weight with me.
Wherefore, if no clear proof of the apostleship of Manichaeus is found
in the gospel, I will believe the Catholics rather than you." Augustine,
Against the Epistle of Manichaeus, 4:5,5:6 (A.D 397).
"You think
that you make a very acute remark when you affirm the name Catholic to
mean universal, not in respect to the communion as embracing the whole
world, but in respect to the observance of all Divine precepts and of
all the sacraments, as if we (even accepting the position that the
Church is called Catholic because it honestly holds the whole truth, of
which fragments here and there are found in some heresies) rested upon
the testimony of this word's signification, and not upon the promises of
God, and so many indisputable testimonies of the truth itself, our
demonstration of the existence of the Church of God in all nations."
Augustine, To Vincent the Rogatist, 93:7,23 (A.D. 403).
"Philip the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See said: There is no
doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most
blessed Peter, prince and head of the Apostles, pillar of the faith,
and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom
from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the human race,
and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who
down even to to-day and forever both lives and judges in his
successors." Council of Ephesus, Session III (A.D. 431).
"I have
often then inquired earnestly and attentively of very many men eminent
for sanctity and learning, how and by what sure and so to speak
universal rule I may be able to distinguish the truth of Catholic faith
from the falsehood of heretical depravity; and I have always, and in
almost every instance, received an answer to this effect: That whether I
or anyone else should wish to detect the frauds and avoid the snares of
heretics as they arise, and to continue sound and complete in the
Catholic faith, we must, the Lord helping, fortify our own belief in two
ways; first, by the authority of the Divine Law, and then, by the
Tradition of the Catholic Church…Therefore, it is very necessary, on
account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for
the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed
in accordance with the standard of Ecclesiastical and Catholic
interpretation" Vincent of Lerins, Commonitory for the Antiquity and
Universality of the Catholic Faith, 2:4,5 (A.D. 434).
"Wherefore
the most holy and blessed Leo, archbishop of the great and elder Rome,
through us, and through this present most holy synod together with the
thrice blessed and all-glorious Peter the Apostle, who is the rock and
foundation of the Catholic Church, and the foundation of the orthodox
faith, hath stripped him of the episcopate, and hath alienated from him
all hieratic worthiness. Therefore let this most holy and great synod
sentence the before mentioned Dioscorus to the canonical penalties."
Council of Chalcedon, Session III (A.D. 451).
ANG GREAT SCHISM BETWEEN THE CATHOLIC AND THE ORTHODOX CHURCH HAPPENED
IN THE YEAR 1054 BUT HERE LOOK AT THE OFFICIAL CREED STATEMENT OF
NICEA-CONSTANTINOPOLITAN CREED [381A.D.] WHICH IS THE OFFICIAL CREED OF
BOTH CATHOLIC AND ORTHODOX:
"And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
the life-giver, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and
the Son is together worshiped and together glorified, Who spoke through
the prophets; in one holy CATHOLIC, and apostolic Church."
[Constantinopolitan Creed (A.D. 381)]
THE DESCRIPTION AND NAME
GIVEN IS CATHOLIC. THE TERM ORTHODOX DOESN'T EVEN APPEAR IN THE OFFICIAL
CREED COMPOSED BY THE FATHERS OF THE CHURCH PRIOR TO THE GREAT SCHISM.
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