REPLY TO JUST FOR CATHOLICS.ORG. 1: MARY THE DISCIPLE OF CHRIST

The Blessed Mother God carrying the Lord in her arms

JUST FOR BORN AGAIN 1

Mary, The Disciple of Christ

[“All generations shall call me blessed,” said Mary, and indeed, she is blessed among all woman. There are two great reasons why Mary, the mother of our Lord, is forever blessed. St Augustine speaks about this in one of his sermons:]

Yeah, “All generations shall call me blessed,” said Mary. Dr. Joseph Mizzi affirmed it. Mary is blessed among all woman. Take note he wrote ‘ALL’ woman. Yet, is this affirmation of Dr. Joseph Mizzi of onlyforcatholics.org:

http://www.justforcatholics.org/

‘official’ for all Born Again? NO, NO, NO… Mr. Mizzi has no authority to speak for all Born Again and in fact there is reason for us to believe that he is saying that simply to deceive us Catholics, just to make us believe that they accept the Blessed Mother of Jesus but in reality the Born Again HATE and ABHORE Mary the Mother of Jesus.

In fact, how many Born Again have you met saying: “Mary, is just an ordinary woman. She is nothing. She is not important”? He, he, he… You see the lies. Dr. Joseph Mizzi is a great pretender here.

On the other hand, I thank Dr. Joseph Mizzi for calling Mary THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD. How nice of you, Dr. Mizzi. He, he, he… We’ve got two from you: MARY IS BLESSED AMONG ‘ALL’ WOMAN and MARY, THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD. Very good!

Thank you also for citing St. Augustine and for calling him SAINT. Ha, ha, ha… If you are not aware a saint is not ‘A DUNGHILL COVERED WITH SNOW’. Ha, ha, ha…

Now let me check your quote from ST. AUGUSTINE, Bishop and Doctor of the Catholic Church and definitely not a member of the born again sects because he hates heretics like them.

[“But look here, my brothers and sisters, concentrate more, I beg you, on what follows, concentrate more on what Christ the Lord said as he stretched out his hand over his disciples: This is my mother and these are my brothers; and whoever does the will of my Father who sent me, that person is a brother to me and a sister and a mother (Matthew 12:49-50).]

I hope you will not deny Dr. Mizzi that it refers to our ‘Spiritual’ relationship with Christ and therefore not a denial of Mary’s special role in the History of Salvation as THE MOTHER OF OUR LORD.

[Didn't the Virgin Mary do the will of the Father? I mean, she believed by faith, she conceived by faith, she was chosen to be the one from whom salvation in the very midst of the human race would be born for us, she was created by Christ before Christ was created in her. Yes, of course, holy Mary did the will of the Father.]

Thank you St. Augustine. Mary is twice worthy to be the Mother of the Lord then: First, because she conceived and gave birth to Jesus biologically and Second, because SHE BELIEVED AND ‘DID’ THE WILL OF THE FATHER.

Ha, ha, ha… It is NOT FAITH ALONE then for Mary Dr. Mizzi but FAITH AND GOOD WORKS… Faith + Doing the Will of the Father. Ha, ha, ha… Thank you. I think, I’m liking you. He, he, he…

O, I want to thank you again. You called Mary ‘HOLY MARY’. Ha, ha, ha… I have dialogued with so many Born Again Dr. Mizzi and you know what? They kept on telling me that Mary is a SINNER. Here you are AFFIRMING THE HOLINESS OF MARY. It means your fellow Born Again are wrong and the Catholic Church is right after all. Isn’t it? Ha, ha, ha…

[ And therefore it means more for Mary to have been a disciple of Christ than to have been the mother of Christ. It means more for her, an altogether greater blessing, to have been Christ's disciple than to have been Christ's mother. That is why Mary was blessed, because even before she gave him birth, she bore her teacher in her womb.]

Perfectly Catholic Theology. Mary is a Disciple of Christ and a Biological Mother of Christ. One is Spiritual Relation and the other is Biological. The Spiritual Union between Mary and Christ is of course greater than the Physical Union. Both Mary is both spiritually and biologically related to Christ. It is wrong to separate the two like what the Born Again are doing. Much more they heretically downplays the biological relation of Mary with Jesus and denies her spiritual union with Him by calling her ‘just a sinner’.

[“Just see if it isn't as I say. While the Lord was passing by, performing divine miracles, with the crowds following him, a woman said: Fortunate is the womb that bore you. And how did the Lord answer, to show that good fortune is not really to be sought in mere family ties? Rather blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it (Luke 11:27-28). So that is why Mary, too, is blessed, because she heard the word of God and kept it. She kept truth safe in her mind even better than she kept flesh safe in her womb. Christ is truth, Christ is flesh; Christ as truth was in Mary's mind, Christ as flesh in Mary's womb; that which is in the mind is greater than what is carried in the womb.]

Once again the Blessed Mother didn’t practice Faith Alone of the Born Again. She heard… She LISTENED to the Word of God and She KEPT it in her heart. That is FAITH + GOOD WORKS. That is why Mary is our Catholic model for a true disciple of Christ. Not the heretical Luther and the Born Again who follow his invented doctrine of SOLA FIDE or FAITH ALONE.

[“Mary is holy, Mary is blessed, but the Church is something better than the Virgin Mary.]

HA, HA, HA… MARY IS HOLY FOR US CATHOLICS BUT ‘JUST A SINNER FOR BORN AGAIN’. Mary is blessed for Catholics but ‘ordinary person’ for Born Again.

“The Church is something better than the Virgin Mary”. OF COURSE, BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST. THE LORD IS GREATER AND BETTER… INFINITELY BETTER THAN MARY. The Church being the Body of Christ is greater than Mary because Mary is a member of the Church. But she is the most Blessed of the members of the Church except the Lord Jesus its Head and Builder.

[Why? Because Mary is part of the Church, a holy member, a quite exceptional member, the supremely wonderful member, but still a member of the whole body. That being so, it follows that the body is something greater than the member. The Lord is the head, and the whole Christ is head and body. How shall I put it? We have a divine head, we have God as our head.” (St. Augustine, Sermon 72A).

Thank you so St. Augustine. You are indeed one of our best Catholic theologians and one of the greatest of our Catholic Bishops. Praise the Lord you are not stupid to invent heretical dogmas like FAITH ALONE and BIBLE ALONE.

[So Mary is blessed, firstly, because she is the mother of Christ, the theotokos, the Mother of God according to humanity.]

Of course, Mary is BLESSED. She is the MOTHER OF CHRIST, correct. And she is THE MOTHER OF GOD… The Mother of the Incarnate God.

[This is a unique privilege among all people and in all generations, and no-one else can share it.]

OF COURSE. THE PROBLEM WITH YOU DR. MIZZI IS THAT THE BORN AGAIN HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES ARE SAYING THAT MARY IS AN ORDINARY WOMAN. THEN, THE BORN AGAIN ARE SAVED ALREADY YET MARY FOR THEM IS ‘DEAD’. IT MEANS SHE IS NOT YET SAVED. SHE IS NOT IN HEAVEN BECAUSE SHE IS DEAD. HOW CAN IT BE THAT THE HYPOCRITICAL TELEVANGELISTS OF THE BORN AGAIN ARE SAVED WHILE THE BLESSED MOTHER OF THE LORD IS NOT SAVED FOR THEM?

[Though this privilege is unique and wonderful, Mary is even more blessed for yet another reason. She is more blessed for being a disciple of Christ, a member of his body, the Church, than for being his human mother. Mary is Christ’s disciple because she believed God’s Word and obeyed his will.]

HE, HE, HE… THIS IS CATHOLIC THEOLOGY AND DEFINITELY NOT THE BORN AGAN THEOLOGY. HE, HE, HE… WELL, THANK YOU FOR AFFIRMING IT.

[We cannot share Mary’s first blessing, but we all can, and indeed we ought to share, her greater blessing.]

AS LONG AS YOU UPHOLD YOUR HERETICAL DOGMA OF FAITH ALONE WHICH IS AN INVENTION OF MARTIN LUTHER THEN IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO IMITATE THE GREATER BLESSING OF MARY. BECAUSE IT IS NOT BY FAITH ALONE BUT BY DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER. JESUS NEVER TEACH ‘JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE’ IN ANY OF THE GOSPEL ACCOUNTS AND EVEN IN THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT WRITINGS.

[ The Gospel calls all people to repentance and faith in Christ for salvation.]

See, it is NOT FAITH ALONE but FAITH + REPENTANCE.

[ Those of us who believe God’s Word, trust in the Lord Jesus, and live in obedience to the Father are, like Mary, disciples of Christ and members of his body.]

YES, THAT IS FAITH + TRUST IN THE LORD + OBEDIENCE. THAT IS WHAT MARY DID AND THAT IS HOW SHE LIVED AND PRACTICED HER TRUE CHRISTIAN FAITH. MARY’S FAITH IS NOT ‘FAITH ALONE.

[What an unspeakable blessing that Christ should call us his brothers, sisters and mother! A greater blessing we could never enjoy.]

CHRIST NEVER CALLS ANYONE OF YOU HIS MOTHER. THE BORN AGAIN CAN ONLY DREAM OF IT. MY MESSAGE FOR YOU IS: REPENT AND GET AWAY FROM YOUR HERESIES AND RETURN TO THE TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS. BECAUSE THIS MARIAN THEOLOGY THAT YOU PRESENTED IS NOT BORN AGAIN BUT CATHOLIC THEOLOGY AS ST. AUGUSTINE HAS PROVEN.

This is taken from the Gospel E-Letter of www.justforcatholics.org for September 2010.

ANG MGA MALING ARAL NG MGA JEHOVAH WITNESSES Part 10 Fr. Abe Arganiosa on St. Augustine and Matthew 16:18-19

Mosaic of St. Peter the Apostle. Below is the image of Charles Taze Russel, the fake prophet who invented the demonic cult Jehovah Witnesses.

Anonymous said...

Jehovah’s Witnesses & the Bible

What was the belief of Augustine (who was viewed as a saint by the Catholic Church)?

“Saint Augustine,” at one time believed that Peter was the rock-mass but later changed his view. It is also of interest that Augustine (354-430 C.E.), usually referred to as “Saint Augustine,” at one time believed that Peter was the rock-mass but later changed his view. Lange’s Commentary on the Holy Scriptures (Mt 16:18, ftn, p. 296) quotes Augustine as saying: “The rock is not so named from Peter, but Peter from the rock (non enim a Petro petra, sed Petrus a petra), even as Christ is not so called after the Christian, but the Christian after Christ. For the reason why the Lord says, ‘On this rock I will build my church,’ is that Peter had said: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On this rock, which thou hast confessed, says he, I will build my church. For Christ was the rock (petra enim erat Christus), upon which also Peter himself was built; for other foundation can no man lay, than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”—Translated and edited by P. Schaff, 1976.

“In this same period of my priesthood, I also wrote a book against a letter of Donatus . . . In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: ‘On him as on a rock the Church was built.’ . . . But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,’ that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’ and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’ For, ‘Thou art Peter’ and not ‘Thou art the rock’ was said to him. But ‘the rock was Christ,’ in confessing whom as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter.”—The Fathers of the Church—Saint Augustine, the Retractations (Washington, D.C.; 1968), translated by Mary I. Bogan, Book I, p. 90.

September 16, 2010 1:51 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[What was the belief of Augustine (who was viewed as a saint by the Catholic Church)?]

ST. AUGUSTINE IS A BISHOP AND THEOLOGIAN OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS WELL AS A CANONIZED SAINT. WELL, HISTORY ATTESTS THAT ST. AUGUSTINE LIVED AND DIED A CATHOLIC. SO EAT YOUR HEART OUT BECAUSE HE NEVER EVER ENTERED THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES CULT INVENTED ONLY BY CHARLES TAZE RUSSEL IN THE UNITED STATES.

AUGUSTINE IS CATHOLIC NOT JEHOVAH WITNESS MEMBER.

[“Saint Augustine,” at one time believed that Peter was the rock-mass but later changed his view.]

ST. AUGUSTINE DIDN'T CHANGE HIS VIEW BECAUSE HE DIED A LOYAL AND FAITHFUL CATHOLIC.

[It is also of interest that Augustine (354-430 C.E.), usually referred to as “Saint Augustine,” at one time believed that Peter was the rock-mass but later changed his view.]

REALLY PROVED IT.

[Lange’s Commentary on the Holy Scriptures (Mt 16:18, ftn, p. 296) quotes Augustine as saying: “The rock is not so named from Peter, but Peter from the rock (non enim a Petro petra, sed Petrus a petra),]

HA, HA, HA... THIS IS VERY STUPID. HA, HA, HA...

LANGE DIDN'T QUOTE ST. AUGUSTINE SAYING "PETER IS NOT THE ROCK" RATHER "“The rock is NOT SO NAMED from Peter, but Peter from the rock". SEE, HE NOWHERE DENY THE CATHOLIC TEACHING THAT "JESUS FOUNDED THE CHURCH ON PETER." IF ST. AUGUSTINE STATED THAT "JESUS DIDN'T BUILD THE CHURCH ON PETER" THAT IS THE DENIAL OF THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND A REVERSAL OF HIS EARLIER POSITION. BESIDES, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NO DOCTRINE THAT "THE ROCK IS NAMED AFTER PETER". HA, HA, HA... SO, WHO CARES ABOUT THAT QUOTE. IT DOES NOT DO US ANY HARM. HA, HA, HA...

[even as Christ is not so called after the Christian, but the Christian after Christ.]

WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE TEACHING THAT CHRIST IS NAMED AFTER THE CHRISTIAN? WHO? THE DEMON CHARLES TAZE RUSSEL? WHO?

AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERN WE DO NOT HAVE SUCH A TEACHING SO YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. HA, HA, HA...

[For the reason why the Lord says, ‘On this rock I will build my church,’]

THE LORD SAYS TO SIMON "YOU ARE A ROCK AND THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH". YOU ARE SEPARATING THAT THE TWO. THE LORD BUILT THE CHURCH ON PETER THE ROCK.

[ is that Peter had said: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.’]

CHRIST MEANS THE ANOINTED ONE, IT DOES NOT MEAN THE ROCK. JESUS CHANGED THE NAME OF SIMON INTO PETROS AND PETROS LITERALLY MEANS 'ROCK'.

PETER SAID 'Thou art the Christ'. NOT 'Thou art the Rock'. IN THIS PASSAGE CHRIST IS NOT CALLED ROCK BUT PETER IS CALLED BY THE LORD HIMSELF 'ROCK' - THE ROCK ON WHOM THE CHURCH SHALL BE BUILT.

[On this rock, which thou hast confessed, says he, I will build my church.]

O NO, NO, NO... THERE IS NOTHING OF THAT SORT: "YOU ARE A ROCK AND ON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH." WHO IS THAT 'YOU'? PETER. SO THE ROCK REFERRED TO IS PETER. IF JESUS MEANT IT FOR HIMSELF HE COULD HAVE STATED: "I AM A ROCK". NO, NO, NO... JESUS DIDN'T USE 'I AM' BUT 'YOU ARE'. WHEN THE SPEAKER USE THE SECOND PERSON SINGULAR HE IS REFERRING NOT ON HIMSELF BUT ON ANOTHER PERSON WHOM HE IS POINTING TO.

[For Christ was the rock (petra enim erat Christus), upon which also Peter himself was built;]

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BELIEVES THAT JESUS IS THE ROCK ON WHICH EVERYTHING IS BUILT. YES, EVEN PETER. THE TERM FOR THAT IS JESUS IS THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE, THE ROCK OF SALVATION.

BUT, IN MATTHEW 16:18-19 JESUS IS TALKING ABOUT SIMON THE ROCK [PETROS] AND NOT ABOUT HIMSELF. THAT IS WHY HE SAYS "YOU ARE ROCK"... "I WILL GIVE YOU"... HE IS NOT SAYING: "I AM THE ROCK..." "I WILL TAKE THE KEYS OF HEAVEN". NO, NO, NO. JESUS POINTS TO PETER.

[for other foundation can no man lay, than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”]

THAT IS WHY THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES CULT IS DEMONIC IN ORIGIN. BECAUSE IT IS NOT FOUNDED BY CHRIST BUT BY CHARLES TAZE RUSSEL. YOUR RELIGION IS DIABOLICAL.

ON OUR PART, IT IS FOUNDED ON PETER AND THE ONE WHO FOUNDED IT ON PETER IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF. IT IS ALSO THE SAME LORD WHO CHOSE PETER TO BE HIS CHIEF APOSTLE.

WE CHOSE PETER AND YOU CHOSE CHARLES TAZE RUSSEL. YOURS IS FAKE, OURS IS GENUINE.

[—Translated and edited by P. Schaff, 1976.]

YOUR QUOTE AND THE TRANSLATION IS IRRELEVANT. IT DOES NOT PROVE YOUR ALLEGATIONS AND CLAIMS. YOUR GUN IS EMPTY. HA, HA, HA...

[“In this same period of my priesthood, I also wrote a book against a letter of Donatus . . .]

HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT ST. AUGUSTINE IS DENYING THE CATHOLIC TEACHING. YET, HERE ST. AUGUSTINE IS SPEAKING OF HIS 'PRIESTHOOD'. WELL, AS FAR AS EVERYBODY KNOWS THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES CULT HAS NO PRIESTS BUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS. OBVIOUSLY ST. AUGUSTINE DOES NOT ABANDON HIS CATHOLIC FAITH HERE IN FAVOR OF THE DEMONIC CULT INVENTED BY CHARLES TAZE RUSSEL BUT RATHER HE IS SIMPLY EXPLAINING MORE AND DEFENDING MORE THE CATHOLIC FAITH.

ST. AUGUSTINE FOUGHT DONATUS BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DECLARED DONATUS A HERETIC.

[In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: ‘On him as on a rock the Church was built.’ . . .]

SO LET US SEE IF HE WILL RENOUNCE THIS ONE.

BEAR IN MIND THAT PETER IS THE ROCK ON WHICH THE CHURCH WAS BUILT... BY JESUS. IT WAS JESUS WHO BUILT THE CHURCH. JESUS IS THE BUILDER.

[But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,’that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’]

YOU ARE LYING HERE. THIS LAST SENTENCE IS NOT STATED BY ST. AUGUSTINE. THIS IS AN INTERPRETATION OR A MERE COMMENTARY ON ST. AUGUSTINE. THIS IS THE OPINION OF ANOTHER PERSON.

PETER SAID TO JESUS "YOU ARE THE CHRIST". JESUS SAID TO PETER "YOU ARE ROCK". JESUS DIDN'T SAY THAT HE WILL BUILD HIS CHURCH ON HIMSELF. HE DIDN'T SAY THAT HE WILL BUILD HIS CHURCH ON 'CHRISTOS' BUT THE CHRISTOS WILL BUILD THE CHURCH ON PETROS. JESUS THE CHRIST BUILT THE CHURCH ON ROCK THAT IS PETROS.

[and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock,]

HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE CAUGHT IN YOUR LIES HERE. BECAUSE THIS STATEMENT IS NOT STATED BY ST. AUGUSTINE IN THIS DOCUMENT BUT IN ANOTHER. HERE IT IS:

"Peter bore the person of the church.” Augustine, Sermon 149:7 (A.D. 391c.).

THAT STATEMENT IS NOT IN THE LATER WORKS OF ST. AUGUSTINE BUT IN HIS EARLIER WRITINGS CALLED 'SERMONS'. SERMON #149 IN PARTICULAR. HA, HA, HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR...

OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE CHOPPING THE STATEMENTS OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

IF THE CHURCH IS NOT BUILT ON PETER HOW CAN PETER REPRESENT THE CHURCH? ACTUALLY, THAT QUOTE IS A SLAP ON YOUR FACE. WHY? BECAUSE THERE ST. AUGUSTINE SHOWS THAT THE CHURCH IS TRULY BUILT ON PETER SO THAT PETER REPRESENTS THE CHURCH.

HA, HA, HA... YOUR QUOTES ARE BACKFIRING ON YOU.

[and has received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’]

DON'T TELL ME THAT IT WAS ALSO JESUS WHO RECEIVED THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. HA, HA, HA...

JESUS GAVE TO PETER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN BECAUSE HE REPRESENTS THE CHURCH. THE CHURCH IS BUILT ON HIM. THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH IS ON HIS SHOULDERS.

[For, ‘Thou art Peter’ and not ‘Thou art the rock’ was said to him.]

HA, HA, HA... THIS IS STUPID. YOUR INVENTED QUOTE IS SHOWING STUPIDITIES. 'THOU ART PETER' MEANS 'YOU ARE ROCK'.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DIDN'T TEACH THAT PETER IS "THE ROCK". BECAUSE "THE ROCK OF SALVATION" IS GOD:

Deuteronomy 32:4 "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."

GOD IS THE ROCK. WE TEACH THAT AND WE PROCLAIM THAT. AS WE PROCLAIM JESUS AS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE CHURCH:

Psalm 118:22 [King James Bible] "The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner."

Matthew 21:42 "Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?"

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES THAT JESUS IS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE CHURCH.

BUT, THE BIBLE DOES NOT STATE ANYWHERE THAT PETER IS NOT 'ROCK'. JESUS CALLED SIMON 'ROCK' WHICH IS PETROS IN GREEK, PETRUS IN LATIN AND CEPHAS IN ARAMAIC. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS NOT THE ONE WHO MADE SIMON PETER 'ROCK' BUT JESUS THE LORD. THAT IS WHY IT IS SATANIC TO REJECT WHAT THE LORD HAD MADE AND ESTABLISHED.

ACCEPTING PETER AS THE FOUNDATION ROCK OF THE CHURCH IS NOT AGAINST JESUS BECAUSE JESUS WAS THE ONE WHO BUILT THE CHURCH ON PETER.

[ But ‘the rock was Christ,’ in confessing whom as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter.”]

HA, HA, HA... YOUR CHOP-CHOP OR CHOPSUEY MOCKERY OF ST. AUGUSTINE'S STATEMENTS MADE YOUR QUOTES CONTRADICTORY AND SENSELESS. IMAGINE THE ROCK IS CHRIST BUT THE CHURCH CONFESSES THAT SIMON WAS CALLED PETER. IF SIMON IS CALLED PETER THEN HE IS ALSO ROCK.

JESUS IS INDEED THE ROCK. BUT THAT IS IN OTHER PASSAGES OF THE SCRIPTURES. IN MATTHEW 16:18-19 THE ROCK REFERRED TO BY THE LORD JESUS IS NO OTHER THAN 'PETROS'. SO, JESUS IS THE ROCK WHO BUILT THE CHURCH AND PETER IS THE ROCK ON WHICH THE CHURCH IS BUILT UPON. OF COURSE, JESUS IS HIGHER THAN PETER. THEY ARE NOT EQUAL BECAUSE JESUS AS THE BUILDER IS HIGHER THAN PETER. BUT PETER IS A ROCK AS WELL. JESUS MADE HIM A ROCK AND BUILT THE CHURCH ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER.

TO SHOW HOW A GOOD LIAR YOU ARE HERE IS THE FULL QUOTATION OF ST. AUGUSTINE CONCERNING THE ISSUE AS HE REFUTED DONATUS THE HERETIC IN SUPPORT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH:

“Number the priests even from that seat of Peter. And in that order of fathers see to whom succeeded: that is the rock which the proud gates of hades do not conquer.” Augustine, Psalmus contra Partem Donati (A.D. 393).

YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE. YOU ARE DISTORTING WHAT ST. AUGUSTINE REALLY WROTE.

[—The Fathers of the Church—Saint Augustine, the Retractations (Washington, D.C.; 1968), translated by Mary I. Bogan, Book I, p. 90.]

THE RETRACTATIONES OF ST. AUGUSTINE IF YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THEM ARE NOT 'RETRACTIONS' OF HIS CATHOLIC FAITH BUT DEFENSE OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH AGAINST THE HERETICS OF HIS TIME PARTICULARLY THE DONATIST HERESY. YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THE TILE BECAUSE OF YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE LATIN LANGUAGE.

YOUR CITATION IS ALSO QUESTIONABLE.

September 16, 2010 10:12 PM