EXCHANGE WITH SSPX FOLLOWER, Part 11 More on Williamson

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HadrianvsIV said...

"IT IS ENOUGH. HE IS NOT A CHILD. YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD CLAIMS TO BE A LORD. IF YOUR LORD IS USING HIS HEAD HE KNOWS THAT STATING SUCH A THING IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR HITLER AND THE NAZIS, AS WELL AS AN INSULT TO THE JEWS."

This is not a substantiation of your statement that his "denial" of the holocaust means he loves the Nazis, this is merely rephrasing the statement.

"IF YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD USED HIS HEAD AND APPLIED PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN INTO SUCH ACT OF STUPIDITY THAT PUT THE ENTIRE CHURCH INTO SCANDAL AND INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS."

1. "My Lord" and "His Lordship" are the proper addresses of a bishop in England (which is where I happen to live).

2. The "principle of ecumenism" doesn't come in to it, this is not a matter of Faith.

2. The Church was the subject of protests not really because of what His Lordship said, nor anything the His Holiness did, but because anti-catholics will find any thing they can with which to attack the Church. Had they been logical about it, as faithful Catholics should be, they would have seen that the denial or questioning of the truth of an historical event is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy, therefore it cannot be a reason to excommunicate someone and therefore it cannot be a valid reason not to lift the excommunication of someone.

"IF HE IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE STATED THAT. THAT STATEMENT IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR NAZISM. TELL HIM TO SAY IT AGAIN, LET US SEE THE EFFECT. HE, HE, HE... THAT IS WHY HE WAS CONDEMNED INTERNATIONALLY."

1. Again, this is simply restating the very statement in question. You clearly can't defend the assertion that questioning the holocaust neccessarily implies support for Nazism because it's not true. Nenver will you find a statement from His Lordship Bishop Williamson supporting, in any way, the ideology of Adolf Hitler or the Nazis.

2. He would've also been condemned internationally had he denied any other modern secular 'dogma' such as Climate Change.

"HE IS NOT IN GOOD STANDING IN CHURCH BECAUSE HE BELONGS TO A GROUP NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. NO CATHOLIC WILL CONSIDER THAT 'IN GOOD STANDING'. HE IS STANDING ON THE SAND AND NOT ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER [cf. MATTHEW 7:24-27]. BEING OUT OF COMMUNION WITH PETER FOR THE TRUE CATHOLICS IS 'VERY, VERY BAD'."

That is entirely beside the point (though I do not agree with it, for the 'record').

My point was clearly that his views specifically on the holocause do not exclude him, or anyone, from being a good Catholic. It is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy.

You then go on to say some more unrelated business about the "excommunication". Again you missed the point, which was that EVEN IF THEY WERE VALID, which you clearly believe them to have been, the SSPX bishops are not outside the Church because they have been lifted. Also, even if their ministries are illicit (which I know means 'illegal'), that does not place them outside the Church, as the Holy See has said.

"IN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD."

It is a Catholic dogma that there is no salvation whatsoever outside the Catholic Church. This is unrelated to your original post about Bishop Williamson, you brought it up only to irrationally attack the SSPX.

Archbishop Lefebvre having died with an "excommunication" does not mean that he cannot be saved by the standards of the SSPX (which are the same as those of the Catholic Church) because the SSPX disputes the validity of those excommunications. Interestingly, Saint Joan of Arc also died while "excommunicated".

"I DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT. IT IS YOUR LORD WHO HAS TO DEFEND HIS ABOMINABLE STATEMENTS AGAINST HUMANITY."

Yes, you do, because you made the positive assertion that the SSPX is hypocritical because of this, now you must defend it.

Also, His Lordship has not made any "abominable statements against humanity", in his questioning the reality of an historical event he has attacked no one.

"HONEST? YOUR LORD HONEST? THEN, WHY DID HE APOLOGIZED AND CLARIFIED HIS STATEMENT? WHY DID FELLAY ISSUED CLARIFICATION AND ORDERED HIM TO SHUT UP? BECAUSE THEY KNEW, HE KNEW THAT HE STATED SOMETHING VERY WRONG AND WITH TERRIBLE REPERCUSSIONS. THE BULK OF THE BLAME FELL ON POPE BENEDICT XVI BECAUSE HE REMOVED THE EXCOMMUNICATION ON SUCH A DESPICABLE LORD... DARK LORD."

1. Yes, he is honest, had he not been honest he would have lied about what he believed.

2. He apologized for the imprudence of stating these things on television and for the trouble that the fuss caused for His Holiness the Pope, not because of what he believes.

"WE LEARN OUR LESSONS. FOR MANY YEARS THE SSPX MADE A TURKEY SHOOT ON POPE PAUL VI AND ARCH. BUGNINI DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE LATE HOLY FATHER AND THE LATE MONSIGNOR MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI. NOW IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO ANSWER YOUR ATTACKS MEASURE FOR MEASURE."

The SSPX criticizes those things which Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Bugnini objectively did wrong by the standards of what the Catholic Church has always taught. You and the other commentators made purely uncharitable comments, such as "I WANT TO VOMIT AGAIN LOOKING AT HIS PICTURE", and "I want to print it and his picture would be my target in target shooting."

God bless.

October 2, 2010 4:15 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

"IT IS ENOUGH. HE IS NOT A CHILD. YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD CLAIMS TO BE A LORD. IF YOUR LORD IS USING HIS HEAD HE KNOWS THAT STATING SUCH A THING IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR HITLER AND THE NAZIS, AS WELL AS AN INSULT TO THE JEWS."

[This is not a substantiation of your statement that his "denial" of the holocaust means he loves the Nazis, this is merely rephrasing the statement.]

THE STATEMENTS OF WILLIAMSON IS THE PROOF ITSELF. IF YOU CANNOT SEE IT IN THERE IT ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE IN STATE OF DENIAL.

HOW NICE TO SEE HOW IT IS EASY FOR YOUR KIND TO MISINTERPRET THE DOCUMENT SO THE CHURCH EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PROPERLY STATED. BUT THE DEMONIC STATEMENTS OF WILLIAMSON ARE BECOMING GOOD FOR YOU EVEN IF THEY ARE EVIL.

"IF YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD USED HIS HEAD AND APPLIED PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN INTO SUCH ACT OF STUPIDITY THAT PUT THE ENTIRE CHURCH INTO SCANDAL AND INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS."

[1. "My Lord" and "His Lordship" are the proper addresses of a bishop in England (which is where I happen to live).]

WHO CARES IF YOU ARE IN ENGLAND. WHETHER YOU LIVE IN ENGLAND OR IRELAND YOUR LORD IS NOT MY LORD. MY LORD BISHOP IS IN COMMUNION WITH THE SEE OF PETER.

[2. The "principle of ecumenism" doesn't come in to it, this is not a matter of Faith.]

THE PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM IS DEMANDED BY THE DIVINE COMMAND OF LOVE OF NEIGHBOR. THE CHURCH UPHOLD THAT SHE IS THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH BUT SHE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE GOOD IN OTHERS. UNLIKE THE SSPX VIEWS THAT IS PHARISAICAL.

[2. The Church was the subject of protests not really because of what His Lordship said, nor anything the His Holiness did, but because anti-catholics will find any thing they can with which to attack the Church.]

THE SSPX IS PART OF THAT ATTACK AGAINST THE CHURCH. THE CHURCH IS UNDER ATTACK BY ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, BY THE PRO-ABORTIONS, BY COMMUNISTS, BY FREEMASONS AND BY SSPX. AND WILLIAMSON ADDED TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE CHURCH BY CREATING HIS OWN SCANDALOUS STATEMENTS. SO THAT THE FULL FORCE OF HIS FOOLISHNESS WAS FELT MORE BY THE POPE RATHER THAN BY SSPX AND BENARD FELLAY. THE EVIL HE HAS CREATED UNJUSTLY AFFECTED THE WRONG PERSON AND THE WRONG ORGANIZATION. THAT SHAME AND INTERNATIONAL ANGER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO ALL OF YOU SSPX AND NOT TO THE HOLY FATHER.

INSTEAD OF BEING AGENTS OF SOLUTION THE SSPX IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[Had they been logical about it, as faithful Catholics should be, they would have seen that the denial or questioning of the truth of an historical event is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy, therefore it cannot be a reason to excommunicate someone and therefore it cannot be a valid reason not to lift the excommunication of someone.]

THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE EXCOMMUNICATED WENT BEYOND THE LIMIT. THEY ENTERED INTO THE REALM OF THE DOCTRINE, THE DOGMA AND NOT EXCLUDING DISCIPLINE AND PASTORAL CONCERNS. THEY DESERVED THE PUNISHMENT BECAUSE THEY EARNED IT BY THEIR OWN EVIL ACTS.

ACTUALLY, THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE THE EXCOMMUNICATION WAS EARNED BUT IT WAS REMOVED OUT OF CHARITY OF THE HOLY FATHER.

"IF HE IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE STATED THAT. THAT STATEMENT IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR NAZISM. TELL HIM TO SAY IT AGAIN, LET US SEE THE EFFECT. HE, HE, HE... THAT IS WHY HE WAS CONDEMNED INTERNATIONALLY."

[1. Again, this is simply restating the very statement in question. You clearly can't defend the assertion that questioning the holocaust neccessarily implies support for Nazism because it's not true.]

HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE CLEVERLY DEFENDING YOUR NAZISTIC LORDSHIP BY SHIELDING HIM AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO BE IN THE DEFENSIVE E. HA, HA, HA... YOUR PLOY IS VERY CHEAP. THE STATEMENT OF WILLIAMSON CAUSED OUTRAGE BECAUSE IT IS SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM AND SUAVELY EXONERATES HITLER. IF IT IS JUST MY IMPRESSION HOW COME THE DISGUST AND PROTESTS ARE UNIVERSAL IN SCOPE. HA, HA, HA...

A HATER OF THE NAZI WILL NOT DARE SPEAK SUCH THINGS. HE STATED THAT BECAUSE HE WANTED THE WORLD TO LESSEN ITS BLAMES ON THE NAZI AND AT THE SAME TIME HE SHOWED LITTE RESPECT FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE JEWS KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST.

[Nenver will you find a statement from His Lordship Bishop Williamson supporting, in any way, the ideology of Adolf Hitler or the Nazis.]

THAT INTERVIEW OPENED A CRACK IN HIM. PREVIOUSLY HE WAS JUST SILENT IN MEDIA. SO, THIS MATTER IS KNOWN ONLY TO HIS INNER CIRCLE BUT HE CRACKED AND HIS HIDDEN VIEWS POP OUT. NOW HE IS DISCOVERED. AND THERE IS NO WAY TO DENY.

IF HE WANTS TO DENY IT THEN HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE INTERVIEWED BY THE MEDIA. BECAUSE ONCE A PERSON IS FREELY INTERVIWED HIS REAL VIEWS WILL BE FLOWING. HE, HE, HE... OF COURSE, HE IS NOT UNDER COMMAND BY FELLAY TO BE SILENT. HA, HA, HA...

[2. He would've also been condemned internationally had he denied any other modern secular 'dogma' such as Climate Change.]

DENIAL OF CLIMATE CHANGE WILL NOT BE AS INSULTING AS DENIAL OF HOLOCAUST.

"HE IS NOT IN GOOD STANDING IN CHURCH BECAUSE HE BELONGS TO A GROUP NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. NO CATHOLIC WILL CONSIDER THAT 'IN GOOD STANDING'. HE IS STANDING ON THE SAND AND NOT ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER [cf. MATTHEW 7:24-27]. BEING OUT OF COMMUNION WITH PETER FOR THE TRUE CATHOLICS IS 'VERY, VERY BAD'."

[That is entirely beside the point (though I do not agree with it, for the 'record').]

THAT IS EXACTLY WITHIN THE POINT. OF COURSE YOU WILL DENY IT BECAUSE IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR POSITION.

[My point was clearly that his views specifically on the holocause do not exclude him, or anyone, from being a good Catholic. It is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy.]

HE IS GUILTY OF HERESY FOR REFUSING TO BE IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE SEE OF PETER. BY BEING SO ONE IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH IN WHICH THERE IS NO SALVATION AS YOU ABSOLUTELY INTERPRET.

HIS COMMENT ON HOLOCAUST IS JUST AN ICING IN THE CASE OF HIS HERETICAL AND SCHISMATIC BELIEFS.

[You then go on to say some more unrelated business about the "excommunication".]

DEFINITELY IT IS RELATED. HA, HA, HA... I NOTICE THAT YOU WANT TO LIMIT MY REMARKS AGAINST YOUR LORDSHIP ER... WHY? ARE YOU GETTING HURT? WELL GOOD FOR YOU. NOW YOU KNOW THE FEELINGS OF EVERY ROMAN CATHOLICS EVERY TIME YOU INSULT OUR CONTEMPORARY POPES AND THE RECENT ECUMENICAL COUNCIL.

[Again you missed the point, which was that EVEN IF THEY WERE VALID, which you clearly believe them to have been, the SSPX bishops are not outside the Church because they have been lifted.]

HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE HOW HYPOCRITICAL YOU SSPX ARE. YOU ARE NOT OBEYING THE CODE OF CANON LAW. YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE LOCAL BISHOPS YET IN ORDER TO HIDE YOUR SHAME AND YOUR DISOBEDIENCE YOU ARE BANKING ON OUR CODE OF LAW AND THE DECISIONS MADE BY OUR POPE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE USING THE THINGS THAT YOU HATE AS A BLANKET AROUND YOUR SOUL.

LIFTING OF EXCOMMUNICATION IS NOT AUTOMATIC MEMBERSHIP IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. BUT IT WAS JUST A STEP TO CONVINCE THE SSPX OF THE POPE'S LOVING KINDNESS SO THAT THEY WILL RETURN TO THE FOLD. BUT MONTHS HAVE PASSED BUT YOUR LEADERSHIP SEEM TO BE NOT SO KEEN ABOUT IT. SO, DE JURE ET DE FACTO THE SSPX ARE OUTSIDE. THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DIALOGUE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN.

[Also, even if their ministries are illicit (which I know means 'illegal'), that does not place them outside the Church, as the Holy See has said.]

HA, HA, HA... THE HOLY SEE IS SIMPLY BEING DIPLOMATIC BUT THE FACT IS BERNARD FELLAY IS THE DE FACTO POPE OF SSPX. HE IS ITS HEAD AND LEADER. IT IS FROM HIM THAT THE SSPX GETS ORDERS AND COMMANDS. SO, YOU ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH PETER.

"IN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD."

[It is a Catholic dogma that there is no salvation whatsoever outside the Catholic Church. This is unrelated to your original post about Bishop Williamson, you brought it up only to irrationally attack the SSPX.]

THIS IS VERY MUCH RELATED. AND THAT IS NOT IRRATIONAL. I AM ONLY APPLYING TO LEFEBVRE THE PHARISAICAL INTERPRETATION OF SSPX OF RCC DOGMA 'OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION.' LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH AND UNREPENTANT FOR THAT. IT IS BUT LOGICAL TO CONCLUDE THAT HE IS NOT SAVED OR HE IS ROTTING IN HELL.

[Archbishop Lefebvre having died with an "excommunication" does not mean that he cannot be saved by the standards of the SSPX (which are the same as those of the Catholic Church)]

HA, HA, HA... I DON'T KNOW ANY CATHOLIC DOGMA WHICH STATES THAT THE SSPX IS A MEANS OF SALVATION. HA, HA, HA... THE DOGMA STATES THAT OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. SO, EVEN IF YOU ARE INSIDE SSPX IF YOU ARE OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. IS THAT CORRECT? HA, HA, HA... THAT IS THE SSPX INTERPRETATION. IT MUST BE APPLIED ON THE EXCOMMUNICATED SOUL OF LEFEBVRE. HA, HA, HA...

[You then go on to say some more unrelated business about the "excommunication".]

DEFINITELY IT IS RELATED. HA, HA, HA... I NOTICE THAT YOU WANT TO LIMIT MY REMARKS AGAINST YOUR LORDSHIP ER... WHY? ARE YOU GETTING HURT? WELL GOOD FOR YOU. NOW YOU KNOW THE FEELINGS OF EVERY ROMAN CATHOLICS EVERY TIME YOU INSULT OUR CONTEMPORARY POPES AND THE RECENT ECUMENICAL COUNCIL.

[Again you missed the point, which was that EVEN IF THEY WERE VALID, which you clearly believe them to have been, the SSPX bishops are not outside the Church because they have been lifted.]

HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE HOW HYPOCRITICAL YOU SSPX ARE. YOU ARE NOT OBEYING THE CODE OF CANON LAW. YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE LOCAL BISHOPS YET IN ORDER TO HIDE YOUR SHAME AND YOUR DISOBEDIENCE YOU ARE BANKING ON OUR CODE OF LAW AND THE DECISIONS MADE BY OUR POPE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE USING THE THINGS THAT YOU HATE AS A BLANKET AROUND YOUR SOUL.

LIFTING OF EXCOMMUNICATION IS NOT AUTOMATIC MEMBERSHIP IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. BUT IT WAS JUST A STEP TO CONVINCE THE SSPX OF THE POPE'S LOVING KINDNESS SO THAT THEY WILL RETURN TO THE FOLD. BUT MONTHS HAVE PASSED BUT YOUR LEADERSHIP SEEM TO BE NOT SO KEEN ABOUT IT. SO, DE JURE ET DE FACTO THE SSPX ARE OUTSIDE. THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DIALOGUE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN.

[Also, even if their ministries are illicit (which I know means 'illegal'), that does not place them outside the Church, as the Holy See has said.]

HA, HA, HA... THE HOLY SEE IS SIMPLY BEING DIPLOMATIC BUT THE FACT IS BERNARD FELLAY IS THE DE FACTO POPE OF SSPX. HE IS ITS HEAD AND LEADER. IT IS FROM HIM THAT THE SSPX GETS ORDERS AND COMMANDS. SO, YOU ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH PETER.

"IN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD."

[because the SSPX disputes the validity of those excommunications.]

WHO CARES IF THEY DISPUTE. EVEN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN IS POWERLESS ONCE PETER USED THE POWER OF THE KEY. THE VICAR OF CHRIST HAS POWER THAT IS BINDING IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS CLEAR IN VATICAN I. HA, HA, HA...

THE SSPX CAN DISPUTE IT IN HELL OR IN LIMBO BUT YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT UNLESS THE SAME POWER REVOKED IT.

[Interestingly, Saint Joan of Arc also died while "excommunicated".]

HA, HA, HA... ST. JOAN OF ARC WAS SENTENCED TO DIE DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE WAS PLEADING TO BE HEARD BY THE POPE. SHE REQUESTED TO BE PUT UNDER THE CUSTODY OF THE POPE. HA, HA, HA... AND IT WAS THE POPE WHO LATER FORMED THE COMMISSION THAT FOUND HER INNOCENT AND A VICTIM OF POLITICAL MANIPULATION. HA, HA, HA... IT WAS ALSO THE POPE THAT CANONIZED HER. HA, HA, HA...

IMAGINE, YOU CAN LIE THROUGH YOUR TEETH. YOU CAN DISTORT THE HISTORY OF ST. JOAN OF ARC AND TWIST THE MEANING OF WILLIAMSON'S REMARK JUST TO DEFEND THE DISOBEDIENCE OF LUCIF... ER.. LEFEBVRE.

"I DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT. IT IS YOUR LORD WHO HAS TO DEFEND HIS ABOMINABLE STATEMENTS AGAINST HUMANITY."

[Yes, you do, because you made the positive assertion that the SSPX is hypocritical because of this, now you must defend it.]

HA, HA, HA... THERE IS NO NEED FOR ME TO DO THAT BECAUSE WILLIAMSON IS ALREADY INTERNATIONALLY CONDEMNED EXCEPT BY HIS BLIND FOLLOWERS. HA, HA, HA...

THE SSPX IS REALLY HYPOCRITICAL. YOUR LIES ON ST. JOAN OF ARC IS A PROOF OF THAT. IF YOU CAN LIE ABOUT ST. JOAN, HOW MUCH MORE WITH WILLIAMSON.

[Also, His Lordship has not made any "abominable statements against humanity", in his questioning the reality of an historical event he has attacked no one.]

HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE REALLY LAWYERING FOR WILLIAMSON EH. HA, HA, HA... OK C'MMON. THAT'S GOOD. LET THE WHOLE WORLD SEE HOW YOU ARE BLIND TO THE EVILS OF YOUR OWN GROUP. HA, HA, HA...

QUESTIONING THE PROVEN FACT SUCH AS THE HOLOCAUST IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. QUESTIONING THE HOLOCAUST IS AN ACT OF HONORING HITLER WHO PERPETRATED IT BECAUSE IF THE HOLOCAUST IS DENIED, QUESTIONED OR REJECTED IT IS AN ACT OF DIMINISHING THE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY OF ADOLF HITLER. BESIDES IT SHOWS THAT YOUR LORD IS ANTI-JEWS.

"HONEST? YOUR LORD HONEST? THEN, WHY DID HE APOLOGIZED AND CLARIFIED HIS STATEMENT? WHY DID FELLAY ISSUED CLARIFICATION AND ORDERED HIM TO SHUT UP? BECAUSE THEY KNEW, HE KNEW THAT HE STATED SOMETHING VERY WRONG AND WITH TERRIBLE REPERCUSSIONS. THE BULK OF THE BLAME FELL ON POPE BENEDICT XVI BECAUSE HE REMOVED THE EXCOMMUNICATION ON SUCH A DESPICABLE LORD... DARK LORD."

[1. Yes, he is honest, had he not been honest he would have lied about what he believed.]

HA, HA, HA... HE IS SO HONEST THAT WHEN HIS STATEMENT WAS RELEASED ON MEDIA AND PROTESTS WERE HURLED AGAINST HIM HE CLAIMS OF BEING MISUNDERSTOOD. HA, HA, HA...

[2. He apologized for the imprudence of stating these things on television and for the trouble that the fuss caused for His Holiness the Pope, not because of what he believes.]

BECAUSE HE BELIEVED WHAT HE HAD STATED AND FOR THAT HE DESERVES THE INTERNATIONAL INDIGNATION AND THE CURSE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

"WE LEARN OUR LESSONS. FOR MANY YEARS THE SSPX MADE A TURKEY SHOOT ON POPE PAUL VI AND ARCH. BUGNINI DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE LATE HOLY FATHER AND THE LATE MONSIGNOR MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI. NOW IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO ANSWER YOUR ATTACKS MEASURE FOR MEASURE."

[The SSPX criticizes those things which Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Bugnini objectively did wrong by the standards of what the Catholic Church has always taught.]

POPE PAUL VI AND MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI HAVE REMAINED FAITHFUL TO THE CHURCH AND HAVE NOT COMMITTED DOCTRINAL ERRORS. IT IS LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX WHO ARE WRONG.

[You and the other commentators made purely uncharitable comments, such as "I WANT TO VOMIT AGAIN LOOKING AT HIS PICTURE", and "I want to print it and his picture would be my target in target shooting."]

THAT IS REALLY WHAT I FEEL EVERY TIME I LOOK AT HIS PICTURE. THAT IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT FOR ME. YOU CAN CONTEST IT IF YOU WANT.

[God bless.]

THANKS BUT NO THANKS. WE DO NOT ACCEPT ILLICIT BLESSINGS.

October 2, 2010 1:21 PM