The Mother of God in Heavenly Honor with the Angels-
Once again, thank for replying. I would like to comment once more as follows:
1. Putting your thoughts as if it was mine in “Mary is most blessed including God or Lord Jesus”. Where did you get that idea?
2. I will repeat, I contested this quotation from Mr. Abe: “ But she (Mary) is the most blessed of the members of the church, except …. ”
3. I may not that good in English grammar, but I understand what Mr. Abe quoted. I did not said in any of my comments that the blessedness of Mary surpasses God or Lord Jesus. I did not even think of it. And I know Mr. Abe will not say as such that Mary surpasses God blessedness..
4. I am not attacking this blog as you presumed, what I did is to contest. And it is your discretion if you will answer it or not. And I thank God you did replied.
5. I admit my mistake is quoting “none in the Bible” for JB is a Bible per se. But I presumed the idea is still intact on my comment that in original language, it is not written as “most blessed”.
6. It is your understanding when you explained the Rev. 22:18. The understanding given to Bro. Eli is not the same as what you have in you now.
7. Verses in Heb 11:1 – 20 is not misused nor abused for me. Again it is your understanding. Other readers may not find so, that is why I keep in wishing you to post my comment text by text.
8. I expected you will say all of those foul words
9. Again, thanks for posting this comment of mine.
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JC of MCGI said... Once again, thank for replying. I would like to comment once more as follows:1. Putting your thoughts as if it was mine in “Mary is most blessed including God or Lord Jesus”. Where did you get that idea?
[That was implied in your statement when you objected to Fr. Abe’s use of “most blessed” of the members of the Church. To refute him, you quoted a verse where “most blessed” is used of God. So, the implication is, you are opposed to using “most blessed” to Mary because it appears that Mary surpasses God in blessedness. Make yourself clearer next time.]
JC of MCGI said... 2. I will repeat, I contested this quotation from Mr. Abe: “ But she (Mary) is the most blessed of the members of the church, except...”
[Yes, and you failed to sustain your contention. You are not able to present one shred of evidence, Biblically or otherwise, that Mary is not the most blessed of the members of the Church. Your attempt at Bible quoting is pathetic. Because the verses you used are off-tangential to the topic. True, they prove others as blessed and faithful, but in no way do these verses state that Mary is not the most blessed of the members of the Church. You have yet to come out with the verse which word for word denies Mary’s superlative blessedness among the members of the Church of her Son.]
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JC of MCGI said… 3. I may not that good in English grammar, but I understand what Mr. Abe quoted. I did not said in any of my comments that the blessedness of Mary surpasses God or Lord Jesus. I did not even think of it. And I know Mr. Abe will not say as such that Mary surpasses God blessedness.
[Good for you. That’s why as we pointed out, the Bible verse you used is inconsequential to disprove Fr. Abe’s thesis that Mary is “most blessed” of the members of the Church. The verse you used was in reference to God. So, thank you for your admission that Fr. Abe will not say that Mary surpasses God’s blessedness.]
JC of MCGI said… 4. I am not attacking this blog as you presumed, what I did is to contest. And it is your discretion if you will answer it or not. And I thank God you did replied.
[Oh, I doubt it very much if I presumed you are attacking the blog of Fr. Abe. As you know, I have been very prompt in answering your questions because this is the first time that a member of MCGI will allow us to speak for ourselves.]
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JC of MCGI said… 5. I admit my mistake is quoting “none in the Bible” for JB is a Bible per se. But I presumed the idea is still intact on my comment that in original language, it is not written as “most blessed”.
[I didn’t say that the word “most” appears in the original Greek of Luke 1:42. However, the Jerusalem Bible gave a dynamic equivalent of the original sense in Greek as translated into English. Another rendering of the Greek thought in its functional equivalent is “Elizabeth gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, "God has blessed you above all women, and your child is blessed” (Lk. 1:42, NLT). I understand that your opposition to the Jerusalem Bible is that it is a Catholic Bible, hence, biased in favor of the Catholic position. If that is the case, would you not accept a Protestant translation that precisely says the same thing? Let’s check: “She said in a loud voice, "You are the MOST BLESSED of all women, and blessed is the child that you will have” (Lk. 1:42, God’s Word Translation). Even Protestant commentors Bible scholars and commentators have this to say: “Blessed art thou among women - She here repeated nearly the words of the angel to Mary, esteeming it to be the highest honor among mothers to be the mother of the Messiah” [Barnes Notes on the Bible, see: http://bible.cc/luke/1-42.htm].
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JC of MCGI said… 6. It is your understanding when you explained the Rev. 22:18. The understanding given to Bro. Eli is not the same as what you have in you now.
[Of course, I gave my understanding based on the sense of Scripture (Neh. 8:8). On the other hand, your understanding is based on what is given to you by Blessed Eliseo Soriano and not what the Scripture actually says. You have not discussed the understanding of Blessed Eliseo Soriano and tested it in the light of Scripture passages I gave. Neither did you ever answer the questions I posed at you. Fair is fair. When you ask us questions, we answer. When we ask you questions, well, we don’t get answers. How is that?]
JC of MCGI said… 7. Verses in Heb 11:1 – 20 is not misused nor abused for me. Again it is your understanding. Other readers may not find so, that is why I keep in wishing you to post my comment text by text.
[Any objective reader will show that the verses that you use have nothing to do with Mary’s not being “most blessed” in the church. It was my understanding, yes, but based on common sense and clear verdict of Scripture based on the very same quotations that you gave. Your comments are all posted and answered and the readers can readily assess who has the beef .]
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8. I expected you will say all of those foul words .
[Oh, I checked my post but I don’t see any foul words there. All these foul words? Hmmm. What are these? Come on tell me. Well, if I used foul words, that’s your opinion. As far as I’m concerned, there has never been any. The readers may check the post above. And, please excuse me, what about Soriano? The pot must not call the kettle black.]
9. Again, thanks for posting this comment of mine.
[We have been posting your comments with answers. Sad to say, your answers and comments are far from satisfactory. Maybe that’s as far as you have learned from Blessed Eliseo Soriano so far.]
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