IS THE GOD OF THE MOSLEMS THE SAME AS THE GOD OF CATHOLICS?

God the Father establishing the Covenant with Noah

Anonymous said...

Peace! Magtatanong lang po ako Father tungkol po sa isang inconsistency na nakita ko po in one of the documents of Vatican II. As a Catholic po, and I'm studying the Faith po because I love It very much, I believe that we Catholics do not worship the same God that the Muslims worship. Am I right, Father? But upon reading Vatican II's Lumen Gentium (16) na-shock po ako Father dahil sinasabi po na the Muslims "profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and TOGETHER WITH US THEY ADORE THE ONE, MERCIFUL GOD, MANKIND'S JUDGE ON THE LAST DAY." Di ba Father, we Catholics worship the only true God - the Holy Trinity and Muslims worship false god. Hindi po pwedeng pareho yung God natin sa kanila dahil iba-iba po mga teachings natin. They can't be the same. Kindly clarify this Father for me... It's really troubling me. Thanks!

October 1, 2010 8:08 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[Peace!]

PEACE BE TO YOU TOO. DEAR ANONYMOUS.

[Magtatanong lang po ako Father tungkol po sa isang inconsistency na nakita ko po in one of the documents of Vatican II. As a Catholic po, and I'm studying the Faith po because I love It very much, I believe that we Catholics do not worship the same God that the Muslims worship. Am I right, Father?]

UNANG UNANG DAPAT MONG INTINDIHIN NA NOON PA MANG PRE-VATICAN II, IT WAS AGREED UPON NA NA ANG MGA MOSLEMS AY DESCENDANTS DIN NI ABRAHAM THROUGH ISMAEL.

HINDI MO BA ALAM NA ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG SALITANG 'ALLAH' AY 'KAISA-ISANG DIOS'. KAYA NAMAN SA ARABIC BIBLE, SA MALAYSIAN BIBLE, SA SAMOAN BIBLE AT SA ILANG AFRICAN BIBLES ANG TERM FOR GOD AY 'ALLAH'.

[But upon reading Vatican II's Lumen Gentium (16) na-shock po ako Father dahil sinasabi po na the Muslims "profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and TOGETHER WITH US THEY ADORE THE ONE, MERCIFUL GOD, MANKIND'S JUDGE ON THE LAST DAY."]

UNA SA LAHAT, I THINK HINDI LUMEN GENTIUM #16 ANG IBIG MONG TUKUYIN KUNDI ANG NOSTRA AETATE # 3 WHICH STATES:

"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God." [On The Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions, no. 3]

KUNG TITIGNAN MO ANG ORIGINAL DOCUMENT NA IYAN NG VATICAN II THAT STATEMENT REFERRING TO THE MOSLEM GOD AS 'ONE, LIVING... MERCIFUL.." AY QUOTE FROM A PRE-VATICAN II SAINT: "5. Cf St. Gregory VII, letter XXI to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania (Pl. 148, col. 450f.) " KAYA KUNG PARA SA IYO AY MASAMA YAN. E DI MASAMA DIN SI ST. GREGORY VII. HE, HE, HE... SINO SI ST. GREGORY VII? SIEMPRE ANG SANTO PAPA DURING THE 11TH CENTURY NA ISANG CANONIZED SAINT AT CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THE GREATEST POPES. HE, HE, HE... ITO ANG SABI NG CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA OF 1915 [PRE-VATICAN II DIN]: "One of the greatest of the Roman pontiffs and one of the most remarkable men of all times; born between the years 1020 and 1025, at Soana, or Ravacum, in Tuscany; died 25 May, 1085, at Salerno."

SEE, BAKA AKALA N'YO AY BAGO ANG TURO NA IYAN NG SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL. ABA, ABA, ABA... PRE-VATICAN POPE ANG NAGSABI NYAN AT NAPAKA-DAKILANG SANTO PA.

ANG TINUTUKOY NA DIOS NI ABRAHAM DITO AY ANG GOD THE FATHER. YES, THAT IS TRUE. NANINIWALA SILA NA ANG DIOS NILA AT ANG DIOS NI ABRAHAM AY IISA. AT YON DIN ANG GOD THE FATHER NATIN.

MALI LANG SILA NAG PAGKILALA SA PANGINOONG JESUS. DUON SILA NAGKAMALI. HINDI RIN NILA NAABOT ANG KATOTOHANAN NG SANTISSMA TRINIDAD. SUBALIT HINGGIL SA CONCEPT NG ONE GOD, PAREHO TAYO DIYAN.

HINDI NAMAN TINURO NG SANTA IGLESIA NUON NA MALI SILA SA LAHAT NG BAGAY. MAY MALI SILA SUBALIT MAY TAMA DIN.

[Di ba Father, we Catholics worship the only true God - the Holy Trinity and Muslims worship false god.]

NO, THEY ARE WORSHIPPING THE ONE TRUE GOD. BUT THEY FAILED TO ACCEPT AND BELIEVE IN THE SON OF GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. KAYA NGA IYON AY MALI DAHIL PARTIAL TRUTH LANG ANG SA KANILA.

[ Hindi po pwedeng pareho yung God natin sa kanila dahil iba-iba po mga teachings natin.]

ANG KAIBAHAN NG TEACHING AY HINDI NAGMUMULA SA KAIBAHAN NG DIOS KUNDI SA KAIBAHAN NG INTERPRETASTYON.

TIGNAN MO ANG MGA JUDIO, THEY REJECT JESUS PERO PAREHO ANG GOD THE FATHER NATIN. IBIG BANG SABIHIN HINDI SUMAMBA SA TUNAY NA DIOS ANG MGA JUDIO? TIGNAN MO ANG MGA BORN AGAIN, THEY ALSO BELIEVE IN HOLY TRINITY PERO MAGKAIBA ANG DOCTRINA NATIN SA MARAMING BAGAY. ANG PAGKAKAIBA AY HINDI GALING SA DIOS KUNDI SA PAG-IISIP NG TAO.

[They can't be the same.]

THEY ARE THE SAME. AS THE GOD OF JESUS AND THE GOD OF ANNAS AND CAIAPHAS ARE THE SAME SO IS THE GOD OF THE MOSLEMS AND THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS, THE GOD OF THE CATHOLICS AND THE GOD OF THE BORN AGAIN.

YOUR LOGIC IS DEFECTIVE. DIFFERENCES OF FAITH IS NOT NECESSARILY CAUSED BY HAVING A DIFFERENT GOD BUT ON HAVING DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION ABOUT THAT SAME GOD.

[Kindly clarify this Father for me... It's really troubling me. Thanks!]

I HOPE THIS WILL HELP.

October 1, 2010 9:19 PM