Christ the King in Eternal Judgment, Sistene Chapel painting by Michelangelo-
As a Catholic and Mason i am shocked by what i have read here. Fr. You mean well, and are following the teachings of the church, but yes, you and the church itself is misinformed, and make statements which are only correct if your stop your reasoning halfway or make assumptions as to a persons beliefs.
To begin:
"The claim that the Masonry is not opposed to ANY religion is the greatest mask and deception it carries. If you accept Christianity that Jesus is Lord then accept Islam where Jesus is only human then you destroy the truth. To claim that these contradictory religion are all OK is actually the subtle way to destroy faith in God and to bring to extinction the Truth of Religion"
You state there that Masons believe that both are true. We dont! We believe what we believe, we simply dont condem others for not believeing what we do. I dont believe that Muslims or Jews or any other religion besides Roman Catholic is truly Gods church, BUT i also remember "judge not, lest ye be judged". I accept that all people have the right to believe what they believe. I also believe that it is not my place to condemn them for it, not to do or say anything to them about their beliefs. I life my life in Christ like fashion (just with mistakes), and in this way, in living my life as an example of Faith, Hope, Love and Charity, i can bring those who are willing to Christ's light.
Secondly:
"WILL YOU PLEASE TELL US OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN? WHAT IS IT?"
To that I simply say, NO i cant. We Masons are bound by oath taken on a Holy Bible not to reveal the meanings or nuances of our teachings.
But suffice to say that as a Catholic, nothing the Masons teach, does anything but reinforce the teachings of God. It is simply interpreted by each brother differenly according to what he has faith in. Since I believe in Christ, the Masonic teachings take on a strictly Christ driven meaning, but i am sure that to a Masonic Muslim or Jew, that they would interpret them to fit their faith.
Lastly,
"Actually the Masons are proud of their teachings and beliefs. And they are using it to entice others to join their group. What is undisclosed, at least officially from Masons themselves, are the actual rituals and activities in their Masonic lodges. Thus, making it a Secret Society."
Our teachings and beliefs are all ritual and activity and symbolism, so if you no nothing of that part, how can you declare a position of something that you only THINK you understand.
Your viewpoint is incorrect, not because you are not intellegent or lazy in your research, but because of your ignorance to the truth and over confidence in what you think you know. Any person who truly understands and can properly relay the teachings of Masonry, cannot and will not disclose them. This is the main reason for the mis interprtaions on the teachings of masonry.
Now i know the question will be put forth that if the teaching are so good, why are they not public. Simpy stated, it is because they are passed by mouth to each person, and you can not gain a proper understanding of them from a purely scholastic education of the princiapls. It comes from each Mason passing it to his brother Mason.
I wish you well in your continued study of our teachings, but unfortunatly, i fear you will never understand, as many do not, what it truly means to be a Mason.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[As a Catholic and Mason i am shocked by what i have read here.]
YOU ARE NOT A CATHOLIC.
A CATHOLIC CANNOT BE MASON. A MASON CANNOT BE CATHOLIC. THAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU ARE IN SHOCK BECAUSE YOU ARE IN DELUSION THAT YOU CAN BE BOTH.
[ Fr. You mean well, and are following the teachings of the church, but yes, you and the church itself is misinformed,]
THE CHURCH IS NOT MISINFORMED AND IT IS YOU ARE IN DELUSION FOR THINKING THAT YOU ARE STILL A CATHOLIC. YOU ARE NOT.
[ and make statements which are only correct if your stop your reasoning halfway or make assumptions as to a persons beliefs.]
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A CHURCH AND THEREFORE IT IS THE AUTHORITY ON MATTERS OF BELIEFS OF ITS MEMBERS. YOU MEAN TO SAY I WILL DISOBEY MY CHURCH TO BELIEVE IN YOU? EXCUSE ME. I WILL BELIEVE AND OBEY MY CHURCH MORE THAN YOU. I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR WHAT ARE YOU.
[To begin:
"The claim that the Masonry is not opposed to ANY religion is the greatest mask and deception it carries. If you accept Christianity that Jesus is Lord then accept Islam where Jesus is only human then you destroy the truth. To claim that these contradictory religion are all OK is actually the subtle way to destroy faith in God and to bring to extinction the Truth of Religion"
You state there that Masons believe that both are true. We dont!]
YOU DO. YOU ARE ONLY MAKING AN ALIBI BUT YOU DO.
[We believe what we believe,]
WHAT IS THAT BELIEF? YOUR SECRET BELIEFS? THAT IS SATANIC. WE DO NOT TRUST YOUR SECRET BELIEFS. WE ARE NOT STUPID TO BELIEVE YOUR SECRETS.
[ we simply dont condem others for not believeing what we do.]
WE ALSO DO NOT CONDEMN THEM FOR NOT BELIEVING WHAT WE BELIEVE. BUT RESPECTING OTHERS DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WILL BE MEMBERS OF YOUR CULT..
[ I dont believe that Muslims or Jews or any other religion besides Roman Catholic is truly Gods church,]
HOW TOUCHING...
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[ BUT i also remember "judge not, lest ye be judged".]
HA, HA, HA... HOW TOUCHING INDEED. HA, HA, HA... SO YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANY JUDGMENT. YOU JUST DENY YOUR FIRST PROPOSITION THAT YOU DONT BELEIVE THEM AS THE CHURCH OF GOD. FIRST YOU APPEAR TO HAVE MADE THE JUDGMENT THEN THE SECOND YOU ARE DENYING HAVING MADE THE JUDGMENT. HOW TOUCHING. HOW ILLOGICAL YOUR POSITION IS.
[ I accept that all people have the right to believe what they believe.]
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT HUMAN RIGHT. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO JOIN THAT CULT IN DISOBEDIENCE TO THE CHURCH?
[ I also believe that it is not my place to condemn them for it,]
IF YOU ARE IMPLYING THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS CONDEMNING OTHERS THEN YOU ARE INDEED NOT A TRUE CATHOLIC. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH CONCERNING HUMAN RIGHTS, JUDGMENT AND CONDEMNATION.
IT IS OUR DUTY TO CONDEMN THAT DUTY BELONGS TO CHRIST. BUT IT IS OUR DUTY TO PROCLAIM THE KINGSHIP OF CHRIST ABOVE AND OVER ANY OTHER.
[ not to do or say anything to them about their beliefs.]
THAT IS REALLY CONTRARY TO THE EVANGELIZATION MISSION OF CHRISTIANITY. A TRUE CHRISTIAN WILL PROCLAIM THE TRUTH OF FAITH IN CHRIST AND IN GOD TO OTHERS. AND WILL NOT JUST MINGLE WITH OTHERS PASSIVELY. YOU ARE CONFIRMING WHAT I EXPLAINED THAT MASONRY IS A SUBTLE ABANDONMENT OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH.
[ I life my life in Christ like fashion (just with mistakes),]
WHAT A SUPERFICIAL FAITH. YOU ARE TREATING YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST LIKE A FASHION. YOU ARE EQUATING HIM WITH CLOTHES AND PERFUMES AND ACCESSORIES.
[and in this way, in living my life as an example of Faith, Hope, Love and Charity, i can bring those who are willing to Christ's light.]
HOW CAN YOU BRING OTHERS TO CHRIST LIGHT WHEN YOU DO NOT EVEN SPEAK OF CHRIST FOR FEAR THAT YOU GIVE JUDGMENT ON THE FAITH OF OTHERS.
THAT IS JUST A BEAUTIFUL SLOGAN WHICH IS EMPTY. THE LIGHT OF CHRIST IS NOT JUST SHOWING LOVE BECAUSE EVEN EVIL PEOPLE KNOWS HOW TO LOVE AND GIVE LOVE. THE TRUE LIGHT OF CHRIST IS RECOGNIZING HIM AS THE ONE TRUE GOD.
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[Secondly:
"WILL YOU PLEASE TELL US OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN? WHAT IS IT?"
To that I simply say, NO i cant.]
IT MEANS THAT WE CANNOT REALLY TRUST YOU. YOU BELONG TO A MAFIA TYPE ORGANIZATION WHOSE SET OF DOCTRINES RUN CONTRARY TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING TO US WHAT THE CHURCH HAS WARNED US ABOUT MASONRY AND THOSE LIKE YOU.
[We Masons are bound by oath taken on a Holy Bible not to reveal the meanings or nuances of our teachings.]
THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL. WHY DID YOU USE THE BIBLE? THAT IS AN INSULT TO THE MOSLEMS OR THE BUDDHISTS. WHY NOT TAKE AN OATH IN THE QUR'AN OR THE BHAGAVAD GHITA.
YOU ARE USING THE BIBLE TO HAVE A SEMBLANCE OF TRUTH IN YOUR ACTIONS BUT YOUR GROUP IS A MOCKERY OF WHAT THAT BIBLE STANDS FOR.
[But suffice to say that as a Catholic, nothing the Masons teach, does anything but reinforce the teachings of God.]
UNLESS YOUR DOCTRINES ARE REVEALED IN PUBLIC THAT CLAIM IS UNSUBSTANTIATED AND MUST NOT BE BELIEVED.
NO MASON IS A CATHOLIC. A CATHOLIC WHO CHOSE TO REMAIN IN MASONRY IS AUTOMATICALLY EXCOMMUNICATED.
[ It is simply interpreted by each brother differenly according to what he has faith in.]
HA, HA, HA... IT MEANS THAT THERE IS NO FAITH. PLURALITY OF FAITH IS NOT HAVING FAITH AT ALL.. IF EACH IS FREE TO INTERPRET THE FAITH THEN THE CHURCH IS CORRECT. ALL THOSE INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATIONS ARE CORRECT SO CHRIST AND BUDDHA ARE BOTH CORRECT. IF THE ONE THAT TEACHES YOU IS A HINDU MASON THEN THAT IS THE INTERPRETATION THAT YOU'VE GOT. HA, HA, HA... WHAT KIND OF CATHOLICISM IS THAT. THAT IS PROSTITUTION OF THE FAITH.
YOU ALREADY REFUTED YOUR CLAIM ABOVE THAT YOU KEEP YOUR CATHOLIC FAITH BECAUSE YOU ARE REQUIRED TO UPHOLD AS TRUE WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE AS WELL. CHRISTIANITY AND SATANISM SHALL HAVE EQUAL BEARING IN MASONRY.
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[Since I believe in Christ, the Masonic teachings take on a strictly Christ driven meaning, but i am sure that to a Masonic Muslim or Jew, that they would interpret them to fit their faith.]
THAT IS DOUBTFUL. YOU CANNOT TAKE ON A STRICTLY CHRIST DRIVEN MEANING IF FOR YOU CHRIST IS ONLY ONE OF MAY RELIGIOUS LEADERS. TO TAKE CHRIST IS TO BE CONVINCED OF HIM AS THE ONLY LORD AND SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
[Lastly,"Actually the Masons are proud of their teachings and beliefs. And they are using it to entice others to join their group. What is undisclosed, at least officially from Masons themselves, are the actual rituals and activities in their Masonic lodges. Thus, making it a Secret Society."
Our teachings and beliefs are all ritual and activity and symbolism, so if you no nothing of that part, how can you declare a position of something that you only THINK you understand.]
WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR SYMBOLISM NOT BECAUSE WE REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND. WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU ARE HIDING THEM TO THE PUBLIC. YOU CANNOT DEMAND FROM OTHERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU INTENTIONALLY HIDE.. AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE HIDDEN THE MORE THEY ARE TO BE REJECTED. ONLY THINGS OF THE DARK ARE BEING HIDDEN.
[Your viewpoint is incorrect, not because you are not intellegent or lazy in your research, but because of your ignorance to the truth and over confidence in what you think you know.]
YOU JUST CONFIRMED WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED ABOVE. YOU JUST CATEGORICALLY ADMITTED THAT YOU BELONG TO A SECRET SOCIETY. AND FOR THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS JUSTIFIED IN PROHIBITING ITS MEMBERS TO JOIN YOUR CULT.
[Any person who truly understands and can properly relay the teachings of Masonry, cannot and will not disclose them.]
HE, HE, HE... OF COURSE.. THAT IS THE WAYS OF THE DARK. THE CREATURES OF THE DARK ARE AFRAID OF LIGHT AND THEREFOR THEY PREFER TO WORK IN SECRET... IN THE DARRK... AWAY FROM THE SEEKING EYES OF THE PEOPLE.
[ This is the main reason for the mis interprtaions on the teachings of masonry.]
THE REASON IS JUSTIFIED AND WELL FOUNDED. IF A CONCERNED PARENTS DO NOT ALLOW THEIR CHILD TO BE A MEMBER OF A SECRET FRATERNITY HOW MUCH MORE OF A SECRET SOCIETY LIKE MASONRY.
[Now i know the question will be put forth that if the teaching are so good, why are they not public. Simpy stated, it is because they are passed by mouth to each person, and you can not gain a proper understanding of them from a purely scholastic education of the princiapls.]
HA, HA, HA... THE SCIENTIFIC MANNER OF EDUCATION IS BY TEACHING ORALLY, IN WRITING OR BY ACTUAL DEMONSTRATIONS. THE FACT THAT MASONS CANNOT SHOW IT ONLY PROVES THAT YOUR GROUP AND YOUR TEACHINGS MUST NOT BE TRUSTED. WE DO NOT TRUST PEOPLE WHO WORKS THROUGH THEIR SHADOWS AND NOT THROUGH THEIR BODIES.
[ It comes from each Mason passing it to his brother Mason.]
VERY CHEAP. I THOUGHT THAT SUCH A THING IS PROPER ONLY FOR FRATERNITIES PREPARING FOR HAZING. WHAT A VERY CHEAP ORGANIZATION. IT IS AFRAID OF ITS OWN TRUTH.
[I wish you well in your continued study of our teachings, but unfortunatly, i fear you will never understand, as many do not, what it truly means to be a Mason.]
YOU ONLY PROVEN TO US THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS TAUGHT US WELL NOT TO TRUST MASONRY FOR THE WAY IT TREATS THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND THE FACT THAT IT IS A SECRET SOCIETY.
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