The Theotokos in Hagia Sophia
Fred
said...
As christians, we confess that Jesus is God. We also acknowledge that Mary gave birth to Jesus. So does it follow that
Mary is the Mother of God?
The
answer lies on what we know about how a person is conceived. A sperm
fertilizes an egg and so a new life begins. The resulting new
individual gets genes from both parents; male and female. Since we know
from the scriptures that man, whether mother or father, has inherited
the "original sin", the offspring would likewise inherit the sinful
nature. Since Jesus did not have a biological father, He would only
inherit the sinful nature from Mary. So we either maintain that Mary
has been completely cleansed from her sins, or assumed that Mary too was
immaculately conceived in order to have given birth to Jesus. However,
look at this issue from this perspective. Did the Holy Spirit use a
sperm to impregnate Mary, or did God form Jesus in Mary's womb?
Let us examine what we know from the scriptures.
1) We know for a fact that Jesus lead a sinless life.
2) We can all agree that Jesus does not have the sinful nature in Him. He only has the likeness of sinful flesh [Rom 8:3-4].
3)
In Luke 1:35, the angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to
be born will be called the Son of God." The Holy Spirit caused Mary to
become pregnant with
child.
4) We can conclude that Mary was never inseminated with a human sperm because Mary was a virgin mother..jpg "Fr. Abe, CRS")
Fr. Abe, CRS
said...
[As christians, we confess that Jesus is God. We also acknowledge that Mary gave birth to Jesus. So does it follow that
Mary is the Mother of God?]
YES,
DEFINITELY. HE HE HE... IT IS GOOD THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGED THAT JESUS IS
GOD AND THAT MARY GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS THUS MARY IS THE MOTHER OF
JESUS... A REALITY THAT IS EXPLICITLY AND DIRECTLY STATED IN THE BIBLE
THAT MARY IS "THE MOTHER OF JESUS" [cf. John 2:1/ 19:25].
IT
DEFINITELY AND SURELY MADE MARY THE MOTHER OF GOD. IN FACT, JESUS IS
LORD SO MARY IS THE MOTHER OF THE LORD [cf. Luke 1:43]. THE LORD IS
GOD... HE IS ONE LORD. MARY IS THE MOTHER OF GOD.
[The answer lies on what we know about how a person is conceived.]
WRONG.
BECAUSE THE CONCEPTION OF JESUS IS NOT THROUGH ORDINARY PROCESS BUT
THROUGH MIRACULOUS PROCESS THAT IS DIVINE INTERVENTION. IT IS CALLED
'THE VIRGIN BIRTH".
DON'T TELL ME THAT YOUR MOTHER WAS VIRGIN
WHEN SHE CONCEIVED YOU? SHE WAS NOT. MARY WAS A VIRGIN WHEN SHE
CONCEIVED AND GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS, SO IT WAS NOT THROUGH ORDINARY
PROCESS YET THE BIBLE CATEGORICALLY STATES THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF
JESUS. SINCE JESUS IS GOD-WITH-US [cf. Matthew 1:23] THEN MARY IS THE
MOTHER OF GOD, MOTHER OF THE LORD, MOTHER OF THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE NEW
COVENANT, MOTHER OF THE KING OF KINGS AND MOTHER OF THE LORD OF LORDS.
[A sperm fertilizes an egg and so a new life begins. The resulting new
individual gets genes from both parents; male and female.]
THIS
IS THE NORMAL PROCESS. BUT AS YOU KNOW THE CASE OF JESUS AND MARY WAS
UNIQUE BY GOD'S PREDILECTION AND THEREFORE YOU CANNOT APPLY TO MARY AND
JESUS THIS ORDINARY PROCESS. YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY.
[Since we know from the scriptures that man, whether mother or father,
has inherited the "original sin", the offspring would likewise inherit
the sinful nature.]
THAT IS ONCE AGAIN BELONGING TO THE ORDINARY
PROCESS OF BEGETTING AND AMONG ORDINARY PEOPLE. JESUS IS NOT ORDINARY
BECAUSE HE IS GOD AND MARY IS EXCEPTIONAL AMONG WOMEN BECAUSE HE IS "THE
MOST BLESSED AMONG WOMEN" [cf. Luke 1:42]. SHE IS DIFFERENT FROM THEM
BECAUSE MARY IS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE [cf. Luke 1:28] AND GOD HAS
BESTOWED HIS GREAT FAVOR UPON HER... WHICH IS GRACE, "CHARIS"... THAT IS
WHY MARY IS "KECHARITOMENE"... FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE OR FAVOR.
BESIDES, GOD THE FATHER DECLARED THAT THE WOMAN WHO WILL BRING FORTH THE
MESSIAH IS IN ENMITY WITH THE DEVIL [cf. Genesis 3:15]. THUS, BY GOD'S
PROTECTION MARY IS NOT TAINTED BY ORIGINAL SIN BECAUSE OF GOD'S GRACE.
YOUR
MOTHER AND YOUR SISTER AND YOUR WIFE ARE NOT GIVEN THE SAME HONOR AND
PRIVILEGE. THEY ARE ROTTEN LIKE YOU. BUT MARY IS UNIQUE AND FAR BETTER
THAN THEM BECAUSE OF HER SPECIAL ROLE TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE LORD-GOD.
[Since Jesus did not have a biological father, He would only inherit the sinful nature from Mary.]
THIS
IS STUPID. JESUS WILL NOT INHERIT THE SINFUL NATURE BECAUSE HE IS GOD
NOT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE A HUMAN FATHER. AND SINCE MARY IS
BIOLOGICALLY THE MOTHER OF JESUS IF YOU WILL REASON THAT MARY HAS SINFUL
NATURE THEN JESUS IS BIOLOGICALLY CONTAMINATED BY THE NATURE OF MARY
BECAUSE SHE IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS. THAT IS THE REASON WHY SO THAT JESUS
WOULD NOT BE CONTAMINATED GOD THE FATHER DECLARED HER IN "ENMITY WITH
SATAN" [Genesis 3:15] AND FILLED HER WITH DIVINE GRACE [Luke 1:28]. THAT
IS THE SOLID BIBLICAL REASONS WHY JESUS WAS NOT CONTAMINATED - THE
SPECIAL GRACES GIVEN BY GOD WHICH MADE MARY EXCEPTIONAL FROM ORDINARY
SINCE SHE IS TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE INCARNATE GOD.
[So we
either maintain that Mary has been completely cleansed from her sins, or
assumed that Mary too was immaculately conceived in order to have given
birth to Jesus.]
SORRY FOR YOU. BUT MARY WAS FILLED WITH GOD'S
GRACE. TAKE NOT THAT SALVATION AND FAITH IS BY GRACE. HE HE HE... THAT
IS WHY EVEN BEFORE THE BIRTH OF JESUS, EVEN BEFORE THE SACRIFICE OF
JESUS ON THE CROSS MARY WAS ALREADY SINGING THAT "GOD IS HER SAVIOR"
[cf. Luke 1:47]. WHO IS THE SAVIOR? JESUS... JESUS IS THE ONLY LORD AND
SAVIOR. SO, JESUS ALREADY SAVED MARY BEFOREHAND. BEING FILLED WITH GRACE
MARY IS FREE OF SIN AND BEING IN ENMITY WITH SATAN SHE IS NOT A SLAVE
OF SATAN BUT A SLAVE OF GOD [cf. Luke 1:38 and Luke 1:48].
ON THE
OTHER HAND, YOUR MOTHER, SISTERS AND WIFE INCLUDING THE WIVES OF YOUR
PASTORS ARE ROTTEN BY THE PRESENCE OF ORIGINAL SIN BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT
GIVEN THE SAME GRACE GIVEN TO MARY.
[However, look at this
issue from this perspective. Did the Holy Spirit use a sperm to
impregnate Mary, or did God form Jesus in Mary's womb?]
LET US
LISTEN TO THE ANSWER OF GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ON THAT MATTER. LET US
READ THE BIBLE TO SETTLE IT ONCE AND FOR ALL. WHOSE SEED DID GOD USE IN
FORMING JESUS? HERE IS THE ANSWER OF GOD THE FATHER DURING HIS FIRST
ANNOUNCEMENT OF SALVATION AS TESTIFIED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT:
Genesis
3:15 [KJV] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and
between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt
bruise his heel.
THE MESSIAH IS THE SEED OF THE WOMAN. THUS, IN
THE ABSENCE OF A MAN JESUS' GENES ARE BIOLOGICALLY AND TOTALLY TAKEN
FROM MARY. JESUS IS THE FRUIT OF THE WOMB OF MARY... MARY IS THE TREE
AND JESUS IS THE FRUIT, IF YOU WANT AN ANALOGY. THUS, THE HUMAN BODY OF
JESUS IS FASHIONED BY GOD ONLY FROM THE SEED OF MARY.
THIS IS
ANOTHER MIRACLE BECAUSE IN ORDINARY CASE THE HUMAN PERSON IS THE SEED OF
BOTH FATHER AND MOTHER. AND PRIOR TO THE DISCOVERY OF MICROSCOPE PEOPLE
WERE THINKING THAT THE CHILD IS PURELY THE SEED OF THE MAN ONLY. BUT
GOD DECLARED THAT THE ONE WHO WILL VANQUISH THE DEVIL IS THE SEED OF THE
WOMAN. IT IS FULFILLED IN MARY BECAUSE SHE IS A VIRGIN [cf. Isaiah 7:14
and Matthew 1:23].
IT IS TRUE THAT THE VIRGIN BIRTH OF JESUS WAS
WROUGHT BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT [cf. Matthew 1:18-20 and Luke
1:34-35], BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT FOLLOWED THE DECLARATION OF GOD THE FATHER
THAT THE INCARNATION OF THE LOGOS-GOD IS BY THE SEED OF THE WOMAN.
[Let us examine what we know from the scriptures.
1) We know for a fact that Jesus lead a sinless life.]
OF COURSE, HE IS GOD. WHETHER HE HAS HUMAN FATHER OR NOT JESUS WILL NEVER BE CONTAMINATED BY SIN.
[2) We can all agree that Jesus does not have the sinful nature in Him. He only has the likeness of sinful flesh [Rom 8:3-4].]
NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. JESUS IS SINLESS BECAUSE OF HIS DIVINITY AND BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE [cf. Luke 1:28] AND IN ENMITY WITH THE DEVIL [cf. Genesis 3:15]
[3)
In Luke 1:35, the angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the Holy One to
be born will be called the Son of God." The Holy Spirit caused Mary to
become pregnant with
child.]
JESUS IS SON OF GOD BY VIRTUE OF
HIS DIVINITY AND HE IS SON OF MARY BY VIRTUE OF HIS INCARNATION. ONLY
BLIND WILL DENY THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF MARY:
Luke 2:7 [KJV] And
she brought forth HER FIRSTBORN SON, and wrapped him in swaddling
clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in
the inn.
HA HA HA... YOU SEE. JESUS IS MARY'S SON... HER FIRST
BORN SON. AS JESUS IS THE SON OF THE FATHER, SO JESUS IS SON OF MARY...
JESUS THE FIRSTBORN OF GOD AND SO JESUS IS FIRSTBORN OF MARY. ONE BY
BEING THE SAME IN DIVINITY WITH THE FATHER AND THE OTHER BECAUSE OF HIS
HUMANITY WHICH HE ASSUMED THROUGH HIS MOTHER'S SEED.
[4) We can conclude that Mary was never inseminated with a human sperm because Mary was a virgin mother.]
WHAT
A VERY STUPID AND ILLOGICAL CONCLUSION. YOUR THOUGHTS IS TOO
COMPLICATED. HA HA HA... IT IS ALREADY GIVEN IN THE BIBLE THAT MARY IS
VIRGIN AND THAT THEREFORE NO MALE SPERM WAS USED TO IMPREGNATE HER...
SO, WAS IT ENOUGH TO DECLARE MARY NOT BEING THE MOTHER OF GOD? NO, NO,
NO... BECAUSE AS PROVEN, THE MESSIAH IS "THE SEED OF MARY". THUS, THE
BIBLE IS EXPLICIT AND CATEGORICAL AND DIRECT THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF
JESUS, MOTHER OF THE LORD... AND THEREFORE, THE MOTHER OF GOD.
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