Thursday, September 30, 2010

DEFENDING THE BLESSEDNESS OF MARY AND THE UNIQUENESS OF HER FAITH AGAINST A DATING DAAN MEMBER, Part 3 Repy of Bro. Marwil Llasos, O.P.

Mary of Nazareth - the Mother of God - the Mother of the Lord Jesus Christ



JC of MCGI said … Faith and blessedness of Mary is not questionable. It is your (RCC) doctrine regarding Mary is refutable.




You said: 1. Mary is the most blessed than other apostles and/or members of the church.


Bible says: (Luk 11:28) But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.


[It is your understanding of the verse that is LAUGHABLE. In Luke 11:28, does Jesus mean that His Mary did not hear the word of God and keep it? There is nothing of that sort. It exists only in your mind.


In fact, in Luke 11:28 elevates Mary’s blessedness not because of her being Jesus mother but because she heard the word of God and keep it. “And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word” (Lk. 1:38).]


JC of MCGI said … None in the Bible “most blessed” has been said to anyone, except one:


(Psa 21:6) For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.




[We have already answered this. At para ka nang sirang plaka kasi wala nang bago sa argumento mo. You are setting a straw argument here. Fr. Abe never said that Mary is “most blessed” including God. No, no, no. There was never any statement of that sort. You are just barking at the wrong tree. If you are shadowboxing with an invisible opponent, just go ahead.]



JC of MCGI said … You said: 2. Mary is actually the first believer and most steadfast in faith.


Bible says:


(Heb 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


(Heb 11:4) By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.


(Heb 11:5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.


(Heb 11:6) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


(Heb 11:7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.


(Heb 11:8) By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.


(Heb 11:9) By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:


(Heb 11:10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.


(Heb 11:11) Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.


(Heb 11:12) Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.


(Heb 11:13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.


(Heb 11:14) For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.


(Heb 11:15) And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.


(Heb 11:16) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


(Heb 11:17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,


(Heb 11:18) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:


(Heb 11:19) Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.


(Heb 11:20) By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.




[WHAT A GROSS MISUSE AND ABUSE OF SCRIPTURE!!! We don’t have any problem with the verses you cited. It’s your wrong use of them that we don’t like.



In the Bible verses that you cited, is there anything that says that Mary is not the first believer (in Christ)? Which of these verses say that Mary was not steadfast in her faith? NOTHING. NADA. ZILCH.




Ang dami-dami mong talatang ginamit. Pero wala naman ni isa ang nagsasabi na si Maria ay hindi unang mananampalataya kay Cristo. Wala ni isa mang talata ang nagsasabi na si Maria ay hindi nagpunyagi sa pananampalataya. Katanuyan, ang silbi ng talata mo ay nagpapakita lamang na bukod kay Maria marami ang may pananampalataya ngunit hindi sinasabi kahit na minsan na ang Mahal na Birheng Maria ay walang pananampalataya at hindi nanatili sa pananampalataya. Kaya lahat ng sinabi mo ay sapantaha mo lamang na walang pinagbabatayan sa Biblia maging sa mga sitas na ginamit mo.]



JC of MCGI said … And with Bro. Eli, on what all you have said to him:


(Mat 5:11) Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.


He (Bro.Eli) is blessed as well.




[Eto naman talaga ang lundoy mo na si Bro. Eli mo ay pinagpala. Puwede ba? Huwag ka ngang ipokrita. Tingnan mo nga kung mang-upasala, manungayaw at mang-usig sa aming mga Catoliko iyang si Bro. Eli mo. Alam mo ang Mateo 5:11 ay sa amin natutupad. Bakit? Aba’y pinagtutulungan ninyo kami. Sama-sama kayo ng mga Iglesia ni Cristo, Saksi no Jehovah, Sabadista, Born Again, at samu’t-saring Protestante. At kung anu-ano ang mga ipnantatawag ninyo sa amin.




Blessed ba kamo si Bro. Eli dahil inuusig? Batas ang umuusig sa kanya kaya siya nagtatago at hindi makauwi ng bansa. Ano ang sabi ng Banal na Kasulatan? “The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion” (Prov. 28:1). Pasukuin mo muna si Blessed Eliseo Soriano bago mo ipagbantog. Ang mga Apostol humarap sa paglilitis at nagpapabilanggo. Bakit di tularan ni Blessed Eliseo Soriano? Ang sabi ng Panginoong Jesus sa mga tunay na alagad na inuusig, The Bible says, “But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name's sake. This will be a time for you to bear testimony. Settle it therefore in your minds, not to meditate beforehand how to answer; for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict. You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and kinsmen and friends, and some of you they will put to death; you will be hated by all for my name's sake” (Lk. 21:12-17). Hindi ito kinakitaan kay Blessed Eliseo Soriano mo.]




JC of MCGI said... May God open your heart Mr. Abe and all the readers of this blog.



[Our heart is open to God. Unlike you, a blind follower and believer in Blessed Eliseo Soriano. “This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man” (Jer. 17:5).]



If your objective in blogging is good, you will post all my comments as it is. Thanks be to God always.



[Our objective in blogging is good that’s why we post all your comments are they are – with bonus, our answers! Don’t be malicious in thinking that we don’t post your comments. They are even placed in the main wall. “Walang katutubong pagibig, mga walang paglulubag, mga PALABINTANGIN, mga walang pagpipigil sa sarili, mga mabangis, hindi mga maibigin sa mabuti” (2 Tim 3:3).]


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