The Good Pope John XXIII... Blessed John XXIII, the Pope whose body is Incorruptible. He is the one who opened the Second Vatican Council.-
I agree that Vatican Councils are part of the teaching Magisterium of the Church. The problem is that some of documents in Vatican II say things that are contrary to previous teaching Magisterium. So, what is a person to do safely? If there is a discrepancy, one must choose to follow what the Church has always taught, and what was taught by Popes who are canonized Saints. You can talk all you want about the "hermeneutics of continuity" in Vatican II, but face the facts! Vatican II was undeniably, at least in part, a hermeneutic of rupture. I am not going to reiterate what has already been written endlessly on this subject and which is easily available.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[I agree that Vatican Councils are part of the teaching Magisterium of the Church.]
PRAISE THE LORD.
[The problem is that some of documents in Vatican II say things that are contrary to previous teaching Magisterium.]
NOT ALL THINGS TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH IS UNCHANGEABLE. ONLY DOGMAS AND SUBSTANCE OF THE FAITH ARE UNCHANGING. PRACTICES DEVELOPS AND ARE BEING CHANGED FROM TIME TO TIME. THE CHURCH IS "ONE AND THE SAME FOR ALL TIME" BUT SHE IS ALSO "SEMPER REFORMANDA" - IN CONSTANT PROCESS OF CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT. DEFINITELY THE PRACTICES AND LITURGY OF THE 18TH CENTURY ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PRACTICES AND LITURGY OF THE 1ST CENTURY OF CHRISTIANITY BUT THE DOGMAS ARE THE SAME.
[So, what is a person to do safely?]
TO BE IN COMMUNION WITH PETER THE ROCK ON WHICH THE CHURCH IS FOUNDED AND THE ONE WHICH THE GATE OF HELL CAN NEVER OVERCOME. [cf. Matthew 16:18-19]
[If there is a discrepancy, one must choose to follow what the Church has always taught, and what was taught by Popes who are canonized Saints.]
THOSE POPES WHO ARE CANONIZED SAINTS ALSO CHANGED SOMETHING FROM THE PREVIOUS POPES WHO WERE ALSO CANONIZED SAINTS AND THE PREVIOUS POPE WHO WAS AN APOSTLE.
THERE IS NO DOGMA IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE THE SAME FROM POPE PIUS V ONWARD TILL KINGDOM COME.
[You can talk all you want about the "hermeneutics of continuity" in Vatican II, but face the facts! Vatican II was undeniably, at least in part, a hermeneutic of rupture.]
THE RUPTURE IS IN YOUR MIND NOT IN THE DOCUMENTS OF VATICAN II.
[I am not going to reiterate what has already been written endlessly on this subject and which is easily available.]
YES, THE ACCUSATIONS OF RAPTURE HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY REFUTED AS WELL AND WE ARE NOT CONVINCED BY THE LIES OF THE SSPX ULTRA-TRADITIONALS AND OF SEDEVACANTISTS. NO WAY. YOU CANNOT LURE US TO YOUR POPELESS SOCIETY.
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Fr, why do you hate SSPX so much? what lies did they say?
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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THEY ARE LIARS BECAUSE IN THE OFFICIAL STAND THEY CLAIM TO BE CATHOLICS, ASKING THE POPE TO BE MERCIFUL TO THEM AND TO REMOVED THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS OF THEIR BISHOPS YET IN REALITY, DOWN IN THE GRASSROOTS THEIR FOLLOWERS AND SUPPORTERS SUCH AS IN THE INTERNET OR IN PERSON ARE ALWAYS ATTACKING POPE PAUL VI, JOHN XXIII, JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AND BENEDICT XVI.
I AM TIRED HEARING THEIR ATTACKS AGAINST THE POPE AND THE COUNCIL, THEIR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT MASONRY IN THE CHURCH WHICH MADE THEM WORST THAN DAN BROWN.
ENOUGH OF THEIR HYPOCRISY. THE HYPOCRISY THAT THEY HAVE MANIFESTED IN THE FORUMS, INTERNET EXCHANGES AND IN PERSON.
AS A CATHOLIC APOLOGIST I SAY: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OF THESE LITURGICAL BASTARDS. IF THEY HATE ECUMENISM THEN, NO ECUMENISM THEN. LET US CALL THEM HERETICS AS THEY PREFER TO USE ON OTHERS WHO ARE DOING THE SAME AS THEY DID.
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They claimed to be Catholics, so what made their claim false? Can you cite some links or references which states that they are directly attacking the pope? please dont use "sspx followers" as reference because they do not represent the sspx. i want an official sspx statements which says they are attacking the pope.
some if not all "sspx followers" (i must admint) are misguided. but that doesnt mean that sspx are attacking the pope if these "sspx followers" attacking the pope. These "sspx followers" might have influenced by some sedevacantist websites.
conspiracies about freemason in the church? i dont think it is theory. it is a fact. The Catholic Church being the bearer of truth is always and in perpetuity the target of the darkside. They cannot destroy the church from outside so their tactic is to destroy the church from within by invasion and inside job. for more information about Masons in the Church, http://catholic.cephasministry.com/masonlst.html
You Fr Abe, a servant of God, may you see the the real situation of the Church. May you see the devastating crisis in church not only in your area of responsibility but also the rest of the Catholic world, so that you may serve Him better.
Thank you.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[They claimed to be Catholics, so what made their claim false?]
THEY ARE FALSE BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED TO BE CATHOLICS BUT THEY ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. IF THAT IS NOT EVIL FOR YOU IT IS EVIL FOR CATHOLIC DOGMA... PRE-VATICAN II DOGMA IF YOU WANT TO USE THE TERM.
[Can you cite some links or references which states that they are directly attacking the pope?]
I ALREADY STATED THAT I CONSIDER THEM HYPOCRITES BECAUSE THEIR OFFICIAL STAND IS NOT MANIFESTED IN THEIR PERSONAL ACTIVITIES. I'M REFERRING TO ALMOST ALL SSPX SUPPORTERS THAT I PERSONALLY KNOW, HAVE TALKED TO OR HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES.
[please dont use "sspx followers" as reference because they do not represent the sspx.]
WHO REPRESENT THE SSPX? IF THESE 'SSPX FOLLOWERS' ARE ATTACKING OUR CATHOLIC FAITH IN PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE POPE IT IS OUR DUTY TO DEFEND THE CHURCH AND THE POPE AND THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AGAINST THEIR EVIL MALICE.
[i want an official sspx statements which says they are attacking the pope.]
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ALL THE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS OF SSPX FROM THE INTERNET AND SWALLOW ALL OF THEM IF YOU WANT. BUT, DON'T COMPEL ME TO JOIN IN YOUR INFATUATIONS WITH THEM. I'D RATHER VOMIT.
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[some if not all "sspx followers" (i must admint) are misguided.]
REALLY? THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. NOW YOU KNOW THAT SIMPLY ATTENDING TLM DOES NOT GIVE IMMUNITY FROM HERESY AND SCHISM AND DISOBEDIENCE TO THE HOLY FATHER.
IF THEY ARE MISGUIDED FELLAY SHOULD BE EXCOMMUNICATING THEM. BUT, HE IS SILENT. WHY? BECAUSE HE IS ENJOYING WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AGAINST THE POPES, AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND AGAINST THE BISHOPS. YOU DEMAND TO THE POPES TO BE STRICK AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE LIBERAL YET YOUR SSPX LEADERSHIP ARE DOING THE SAME TO THE ERRORS OF YOUR OWN KIND. VERY HYPOCRITICAL ISN'T IT?
[but that doesnt mean that sspx are attacking the pope if these "sspx followers" attacking the pope.]
IF THERE ARE SSPX FOLLOWERS ATTACKING THE POPE AND TOO MANY OF THEM IT MEANS THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE LEARNING FROM THE SSPX LEADERSHIP.
AS CATHOLICS WE WILL DEFEND THE POPE WITH OUR LIVES AND WITH ALL OUR STRENGTH. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ATTACKED TELL THEM TO BEHAVE.
[These "sspx followers" might have influenced by some sedevacantist websites.]
THESE SEDEVACANTISTS DEMONS ARE BEGOTTEN BY SSPX. THEY ARE YOUR OFFSHOOTS. THEY ARE BLOOD OF YOUR OWN BLOOD AND FLESH OF YOUR OWN BLESH, DOCTRINALLY, LITURGICALLY AND PASTORALLY. YOU BELONG TO THE SAME DEMON OF DISOBEDIENCE TO THE SEE OF PETER. THEY GOT THEIR DEMONIC SPIRIT FROM THE REBELLION OF LEFEBVRE.
[conspiracies about freemason in the church? i dont think it is theory. it is a fact.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. IT IS EASY FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE SSPX IS INFILTRATED BY SATANISTS THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BY FREEMASONS. SATAN AND LEFEBVRE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN COMMON. THEIR NAMES SOUNDS THE SAME: LUCIFER = LEFEBVRE AND BOTH FELL BECAUSE OF DISOBEDIENCE.
[The Catholic Church being the bearer of truth is always and in perpetuity the target of the darkside.]
SOME OF THAT DARKSIDE IS THE TREACHERY OF JUDAS, THE HERESY OF ARIUS, THE PROTEST OF LUTHER AND THE DISOBEDIENCE OF LEFEBVRE. THEY ARE ALL POSSESSED BY THE SAME DEMON.
SSPX IS A DARKSIDE IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[They cannot destroy the church from outside so their tactic is to destroy the church from within by invasion and inside job.]
IT IS THE SSPX WHO IS DESTROYING THE CHURCH FROM WITHIN. YOU SIMPLY NEED ALIBIS TO TAKE THE BLAME ON YOURSELVES SO YOU CONCOCTED CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
[for more information about Masons in the Church, http://catholic.cephasministry.com/masonlst.html]
VERY NICE PRODUCTS OF YOUR IMAGINATION. YOUR WEBSITE IS SIMILAR TO THE BOOK OF DAN BROWN. THE SAME DEMON HAS GIVEN YOU SIMILAR CONSPIRACY THEORIES.
[You Fr Abe, a servant of God, may you see the the real situation of the Church.]
YEAH, THE REAL SITUATION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THAT THE SSPX AND THE SEDEVACANTISTS ARE LIKE WORMS AND CANCER VIRUS INSIDE THE BODY OF CHRIST.
[May you see the devastating crisis in church not only in your area of responsibility but also the rest of the Catholic world, so that you may serve Him better.]
WE ARE SERVING THE CHURCH BETTER. THE SSPX ARE USELESS BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING NOTHING BUT ATTACKING THE PAULINE MASS AND TO SCRATCH THEIR BACKS.
THOSE WHO ARE RUNNING THE SCHOOLS, THE ORPHANAGES, THE LEPROSARIUMS, THE HOME FOR THE AGED AND THOSE GOING TO MISSIONS WITH THE POOREST OF THE POOR ARE LOVING THE MASS OF PAUL VI LIKE MOTHER TERESA AND SISTER LUCIA.
THE CHURCH IS ALWAYS IN CRISIS. THERE IS NEVER A YEAR THAT THE CHURCH IS NOT IN CRISIS. IN FACT, THE CRISIS DURING THE TIME OF POPE PIUS V WAS MORE TERRIBLE THAN NOW. BUT IN EVERY CRISIS, THE SOLUTION IS FIDELITY TO THE POPE 'NOT TREACHERY' AS LEFEBVRE DID.
[Thank you.]
THANKS BUT NO THANKS.
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