Medieval Scripture depicting the Lord Jesus giving the Keys of the Kingdom to St. Peter the Apostle.-
Jehovah’s Witnesses & the Bible
“You are Petros and on this pe,tra”
(ARAMIAC syriac-hade’ki’pha)(GREEK-petra)
(ARAMAIC syriac-hu'ki'pa)(GREEK-PETROS)
“ROCK- MASS”
This translates the Greek word pe´tra (feminine gender), which designates a mass of rock (Mt 7:24, 25; 27:51, 60; Lu 6:48; 8:6, 13; Re 6:15, 16) and therefore differs from pe´tros (masculine gender and employed as a proper name, Peter), meaning “piece of rock.” This distinction makes it clear that, when saying to Peter, “You are Peter, and on this rock-mass I will build my congregation,” Jesus was not using synonymous terms. (Mt 16:18) Even in the Aramaic (Syriac) version the distinction is apparent from a difference in the gender of the particle preceding the word ki’pha’, used for both “Peter” and “rock.” The masculine verbal pronoun (hu) precedes “Peter,” but “rock” is preceded by the feminine demonstrative adjective (hade’).
That the apostles did not understand Jesus’ statement to signify that Peter was the rock-mass is evident from the fact that they later disputed about who seemed to be the greatest among them. (Mr 9:33-35; Lu 22:24-26) There would have been no basis for such disputing had Peter been given the primacy as the rock-mass on which the congregation was to be built. The Scriptures clearly show that as foundation stones, all the apostles are equal. All of them, including Peter, rest upon Christ Jesus as the foundation cornerstone. (Eph 2:19-22; Re 21:2, 9-14) Peter himself identified the rock-mass (pe´tra) on which the congregation is built as being Christ Jesus. (1Pe 2:4-8) Similarly, the apostle Paul wrote: “For they [the Israelites] used to drink from the spiritual rock-mass that followed them, and that rock-mass meant the Christ.” (1Co 10:4) On at least two occasions and in two different locations the Israelites received a miraculous provision of water from a rock-mass. (Ex 17:5-7; Nu 20:1-11) Therefore, the rock-mass as a source of water, in effect, followed them. The rock-mass itself was evidently a pictorial, or symbolic, type of Christ Jesus, who said to the Jews: “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.”—Joh 7:37.
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[Jehovah’s Witnesses & the Bible]
YOU ARE THE WITNESSES OF THE DEMON CHARLES TAZE RUSSEL. DO NOT POLUTE THE BIBLE WITH YOUR LIES.
[“You are Petros and on this pe,tra”]
THE PETROS IS SIMON, THUS, THE MASCULINE FORM IS USED FOR HIM. THE WORD PETROS IS MASCULINE FOR 'ROCK' AND THE WORD PETRA IS FEMMININE FOR 'ROCK'.
ACTUALLY THE WORD 'ROCK' IS NEUTER. BECAUSE A STONE WHETHER SMALL OR LARGE SUCH AS ROCK IS NEVER FEMMININE OR MASCULINE, IT IS ALWAYS NEUTER. HOWEVER, GREEK AND LATIN NOUNS ARE USUALLY HAVING DISTINCTIONS FOR MASCULINE OR FEMININE AND SOMETIMES EVEN FOR NEUTER. THUS, EVEN THOUGH 'ROCK' IS NEUTER ITS NATURAL FORM IS IN FEMININE DECLENSION. THAT IS WHY IT IS PETRA.
WHEN THE WORD PETRA IS USED FOR A MAN IT IS STUPID TO MAINTAIN ITS FEMININE FORM. IT MUST BE DECLINED AS MASCULINE. THUS, WHEN ONE SPEAKS OF SIMON AS ROCK IT IS ILLOGICAL AND STUPID AND UNGRAMMATICAL TO CALL HIM "PETRA". THAT IS AN INSULT AND ERRONEOUS. THUS, WHEN JESUS APPLIED THE TITLE 'ROCK' TO SIMON HE TRANSFORMED IT TO PETROS. BUT WHEN HE USED THE WORD IN ITS NATURAL FORM HE USED THE NORMAL PETRA.
WHETHER PETROS OR PETRA THE MEANING IS THE SAME. THEY MEAN 'ROCK'. IF WE WILL TRANSLATE THEM EACH LITERALLY:
PETROS = MASCULINE ROCK
PETRA = FEMININE ROCK
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[(ARAMIAC syriac-hade’ki’pha])
HA, HA, HA... HOW COME ARAMAIC WHICH WAS A VERNACULAR IN ISRAEL IS MIXED WITH SYRIAC WHICH WAS A LANGUAGE IN THE MIDDLE EAST?
THE ARAMAIC SYRIAC IS NOT SIMILAR TO THE ARAMAIC SPOKEN BY JESUS AND THE APOSTLES. NO, NO, NO... HA, HA, HA... YOU HAVE ONCE AGAIN SHOWED YOUR IGNORANCE HERE. JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEEN THE WORD ARAMAIC SYRIAC YOU ALREADY CONCLUDED THAT THEY ARE THE SAME. O NO, NO, NO.
HERE IS THE DISTINCTION:
"Syriac began as an unwritten spoken dialect of Old Aramaic in northern Mesopotamia. The first evidence we have of such dialects is their influence on the written Imperial Aramaic from the 5th century BC. After the conquest of Syria and Mesopotamia by Alexander the Great, Syriac and other Aramaic dialects became written languages in a reaction to Hellenism.[dubious – discuss] Syriac orthography is drawn from Arsacid Aramaic.In 132 BC, the kingdom of Osroene was founded in Edessa with Syriac as its official language. Syriac-speakers still look to Edessa as the cradle of their language.[citation needed] There are about eighty extant early Syriac inscriptions, dated to the first three centuries AD (the earliest example of Syriac, rather than Imperial Aramaic, is in an inscription dated to AD 6, and the earliest parchment is a deed of sale dated to AD 243). All of these early examples of the language are NON-CHRISTIAN. As an official language, Syriac was given a relatively coherent form, style and grammar that is lacking in other Old Eastern Aramaic dialects." [WIKIPEDIA]
THAT ARAMAIC SYRIAC IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME WITH THE ARAMAIC OF JESUS WHICH WAS USED IN PALESTINE DURING THE FIRST CENTURY:
"Aramaic is a Semitic language belonging to the Afroasiatic language family. Within this family, Aramaic belongs to the Semitic subfamily, and more specifically, is a part of the Northwest Semitic group of languages, which also includes Canaanite languages such as Hebrew and Phoenician. Aramaic script was widely adopted for other languages and is ancestral to both the Arabic and Hebrew alphabets.During its 3,000-year history[3], Aramaic has served variously as a language of administration of empires and as a language of divine worship. It was the day-to-day language of Israel in the Second Temple period (539 BCE – 70 CE), was the original language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, was the language spoken by Jesus, and is the main language of the Talmud." [WIKIPEDIA]
THE ARAMAIC SYRIAC IS AN OFFSHOOT OF THE ARAMAIC BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. THEY ARE LIKE LATIN AND ITALIAN. THE ITALIAN LANGUAGE IS AN OFFSHOOT OF LATIN BUT THEY ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS. HE, HE, HE... ARAMAIC SYRIAC IS THE LANGUAGE OF THE ARABS THEN SUCH AS IN SYRIA AND THE NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.
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[(GREEK-petra)]
PETROS IS GREEK TOO. IF YOU DON'T KNOW.
[(ARAMAIC syriac-hu'ki'pa)(GREEK-PETROS) “ROCK- MASS”]
HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE. NOW I GOT YOUR DECEPTION AND LIES. HA, HA, HA...
THE REASON WHY YOU ARE USING ARAMAIC SYRIAC SO THAT YOU CAN SHOW THAT PETRA IS HADE KIPHA AND THEN YOU CAN DECEPTIVELY CLAIM THAT PETROS IS NOT SIMILAR TO PETRA-KIPHA BUT HU KIPA. WHAT AN IDIOTIC ARGUMENT. VERY STUPID.
IN THE ARAMAIC LANGUAGE OF JESUS THE WORD ROCK IS TRANSLATED AS "CEPHAS" or "KEPHAS". THE WORD PETROS AND PETRAS ARE ONE AND THE SAME IN JESUS' ARAMAIC LANGUAGE. THUS, THE RENDERING IN ARAMAIC IS "YOU ARE CEPHAS AND UPON THIS CEPHAS I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH".
THIS IS PROVEN BY THE FACT THAT IN SOME PARTS OF THE BIBLE SIMON IS NOT CALLED PETER OR PETROS BUT CEPHAS:
John 1:42 [King James Version] "And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called CEPHAS, which is by interpretation, A stone."1 Corinthians 1:12 "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of CEPHAS; and I of Christ."
1 Corinthians 3:22 "Whether Paul, or Apollos, or CEPHAS, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours"
1 Corinthians 9:5 "Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and CEPHAS?"
1 Corinthians 15:5 "And that he was seen of CEPHAS, then of the twelve"
Galatian 2:9 "And when James, CEPHAS, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."
SEE, ST. JOHN THE APOSTLE AND ST. PAUL THE APOSTLE REPEATEDLY CALLED SIMON PETROS AS CEPHAS. WHY? BECAUSE PETROS AND CEPHAS ARE ONE AND THE SAME. AND PETRA IS ALSO CEPHAS IN ARAMAIC. HA, HA, HA... LOOK AT YOUR ARAMAIC SYRIAC. IT IS "HADE KIPHA" AND HU KIPA". NO MATTER WHAT THEY ARE BOTH "KIPHA" OR "KIPA". IT'S THE SAME.
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YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON SOMETHING ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE APPLICATION TO GENDER DISTINCTION.
ANOTHER STUPID THING IN YOUR CLAIM IS THAT:
PETRA IS FEMININE
PETROS IS MASCULINE
THEN YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT THE CHURCH IS FOUNDED ON PETRA WHO IS JESUS THE ROCK. DO YOU KNOW THE IMPLICATION OF THAT? IF JESUS IS THE PETRA THEN JESUS IS A WOMAN!!! ONLY AN IDIOT WILL USE THAT ARGUMENT AND THAT IS HOW IDIOTIC AND STUPID YOUR ARGUMENT IS.
JESUS CANNOT BE PETRA BECAUSE PETRA IS FEMININE AND JESUS IS MASCULINE. HA, HA, HA... HA, HA, HA... PATHETIC FOOL.
[This translates the Greek word pe´tra (feminine gender), which designates a mass of rock (Mt 7:24, 25; 27:51, 60; Lu 6:48; 8:6, 13; Re 6:15, 16)]
LET ME CHECK YOUR CLAIM BY THE VERSES YOU PRESENTED:
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
WHERE IS THE MASS-ROCK THERE? NONE. WHERE IS THE STATEMENT THAT PETROS IS DIFFERENT FROM PETRA? HA, HA, HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR. PETRA IS USED BECAUSE THE ROCK REFERRED TO IS NOT MASCULINE.
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
AGAIN, WHERE IS THE MASS-ROCK? NONE. IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT PETROS IS SMALL ROCK. LIAR, LIAR, LIAR. HA, HA, HA...
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
WHERE IS THE MASS-ROCK THERE? WHERE IS THE STATEMENT THAT PETROS AND PETRA ARE NOT THE SAME IN MEANING? NOTHING. HA, HA, HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR. PETRA IS SIMPLY 'ROCK' SAME AS 'PETROS'.
Mat 27:60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.
WHERE IS THE MASS-ROCK THERE? WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PETROS AND PETRA? NOWHERE. LIAR, LIAR, LIAR. HA, HA, HA...
Luke 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO MASS-ROCK THERE. NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN PETROS AND PETRA. LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
Luke 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
STILL, NO MASS-ROCK STATED THERE. AGAIN, NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN PETROS AND PETRA. HA, HA, HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
AGAIN AND AGAIN, NO MASS-ROCK STATED THERE. NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN PETROS AND PETRA AT ALL. LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
Rev 6:15 "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains"
LOOK CLOSER, NO MASS-ROCK STILL. NO DISTINCTION STILL. LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
Revelation 6:16 "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb"
HA, HA, HA... NOT A SINGLE VERSE THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED STATES THAT PETRA IS MASS ROCK AND PETROS IS SMALL STONE. NONE. NOTHING. NADA. NUNCA. IN RUSSIAN "NYET, NYET"! HA, HA, HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
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[and therefore differs from pe´tros (masculine gender and employed as a proper name, Peter), meaning “piece of rock.”]
PETROS AND PETRA DIFFER IN GENDER FORM BUT THEY ARE THE SAME IN MEANING.
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT 'PETROS' MEANS 'PIECE' OF ROCK WHILE PETRA IS 'MASS' ROCK?
BOTH WORDS ARE THE SAME EVEN THOUGH ONE IS FEMININE AND THE OTHER IS MASCULINE. IT REFERS TO THE SAME ROCK. IF PETRA DOES NOT REFER TO PETROS THEN IT REFERS TO JESUS; THEN JESUS USED FEMININE GENDER FOR HIMSELF WHICH IS ABSURD. THE PETRA REFERS TO SIMON BUT IN ORDER NOT TO MAKE SIMON APPEAR TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL THE LORD USED THE MASCULINE FORM PETROS WHILE USED THE ORIGINAL FORM PETRA FOR THE ROCK WHEN HE MENTIONED IT NOT AS A TITLE FOR SIMON.
IN THE GREEK BIBLE THERE IS A TERM FOR SMALL ROCK OR STONE. THAT WORD IS "LITHOS":
Matthew 4:6 "And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a STONE."
SEE ALSO Mt 7:9
ACTUALLY, THE WORD CORNERSTONE USED FOR JESUS IS NEITHER 'PETRA' NOR 'PETROS' BUT 'LITHOS':
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Matthew 21:42 "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The STONE which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?"
LOOK AT STRONG'S EXPLANATION OF THE GREEK WORD FOR STONE IN THAT PASSAGE:
G3037 λίθος lithos (lee'-thos)Apparently a primary word; a stone (literally or figuratively): - (mill-, stumbling-) stone.
SEE, THE LORD JESUS DIDN'T USE THE WORD 'PETRA' FOR HIMSELF BUT LITHOS. JESUS DIDN'T SAY: "YOU ARE PETROS AND UPON THIS LITHOS I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH." NO, NO, NO... JESUS USED PETRA BECAUSE IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF PETROS. HE CHANGED THE GENDER ONLY TO SUIT THE MASCULINITY OF PETER. THE WORD PETROS MEANS ROCK:
G4074 Πέτρος Petros (pet'-ros)Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.
PETRA THOUGH FEMININE IN DECLENSION IS NEWTER IN REALITY. 'A ROCK' OR 'THE ROCK' IS NEWTER, IT IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. JESUS CALLED SIMON PETROS - THAT IS A MALE-ROCK. BECAUSE PETER IS LITERALLY MALE AND PETROS IS A TITLE FOR SIMON BAR JONAH. THE NEWTER ROCK CAN REFER TO A MASS ROCK, FINE. BUT THIS IS JUST IN COMMENTARY. THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THAT PETROS IS NOT A MASS ROCK. PETROS IS REFERRED TO AS A PIECE OF ROCK BECAUSE SIMON PETER IS A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL. YOU SHOULD ALSO NOTICE THAT THE COMMENTATOR WAS CAREFUL HE PUT THE WORD [MASS] AND [PIECE] INSIDE PARENTHESES IN ORDER NOT TO IMPOSE HIS PERSONAL OPINION THAT PETRA IS MASS ROCK AND PETROS IS PIECE OF ROCK. THE REAL TRANSLATION FOR BOTH OF THEM IS SIMPLY "ROCK".THE TERM PETROS WHETHER AS A NAME OR AS A TITLE STILL MEANS 'ROCK' OR 'MASS-ROCK' BECAUSE IT IS JUST THE MASCULINE FORM OF PETRA.
LOOK AT THE EXPLANATION, PETROS IS LARGER THAN G#3037 = LITHOS - STONE.
G#2786 ON THE OTHER HAND SHOWS THE CONNECTION OF PETROS AND KEPHAS:
G2786 Κηφᾶς Kēphas (kay-fas')
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H3710]); the Rock; Cephas (that is, Kepha), surname of Peter: - Cephas.
WHAT DOES CEPHAS MEAN? THE ROCK! PETROS = CEPHAS = KEPHAS = ROCK. IN H#3710 OF STRONG THIS IS THE MEANING OF KEPHAS IN HEBREW:
H3710כּף kêph (kafe)
From H3721; a hollow rock: - rock.
IT MEANS 'ROCK' STILL. EVEN THOUGH ON THAT PASSAGE IT REFERS TO HOLLOW ROCK BUT THE REAL MEANING OF THE TERM IS 'ROCK'.
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NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER HOW THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR CLAIMS THAT JESUS IS THE PETRA IN MATTHEW 16:18-19. JESUS IS ROCK BUT IN OTHER PASSAGE NOT HERE.
[This distinction makes it clear that, when saying to Peter, “You are Peter, and on this rock-mass I will build my congregation,” Jesus was not using synonymous terms.]
HA, HA, HA... PETROS AND PETRA ARE SYNONYMOUS. THEY BOTH MEANS ROCK. DIFFENCE IN GENDER FORMS DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY BOTH MEANS ROCK.
[(Mt 16:18) Even in the Aramaic (Syriac) version the distinction is apparent]
THAT IS YOUR DECEPTION. YOU STUPIDLY USED ARAMAIC SYRIAC WHEN IN FACT JESUS DIDN'T SPEAK THOSE WORDS IN ARAMAIC SYRIAC BUT IN ARAMAIC SEMETIC OR ARAMAIC PALESTINE. HA, HA, HA...
[from a difference in the gender of the particle preceding the word ki’pha’, used for both “Peter” and “rock.”]
THE DIFFERENCE OF GENDER IS NECESSITATED BY PRACTICAL REALITY. THE WORD PETRA IS FEMALE IN FORM WHILE THE PERSON TO WHOM JESUS WAS CONFERRING THE TITLE IS MASCULINE SO THE LORD JESUS WISELY USED THE MASCULINE FORM OF THE SAME WORD WITHOUT ALTERING ITS MEANING AND SIGNIFICATION.
[The masculine verbal pronoun (hu) precedes “Peter,” but “rock” is preceded by the feminine demonstrative adjective (hade’).]
HA, HA, HA... THIS IS ANOTHER STUPIDITY. JESUS WAS TALKING TO SIMON SON OF JONAH OF COURSE HE USED MASCULINE PRONOUN. THE FEMININE DEMONSTRATIVE ADJECTIVE IS NOT PRECEDED BY ANY PRONOUN IT MEANS THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE PRONOUN USED - THE ONE ADDRESSED TO PETER IT SIGNIFIES THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE SUBJECT OF THE SENTENCE AND THAT IS SIMON PETROS. JESUS WAS ONLY RESPECTING THE ORIGINAL GREEK WORD FOR ROCK WHEN HE USED PETRA BUT THERE WAS NO INTENTION TO REFER TO ANOTHER PERSON OTHER THAN SIMON PETROS. OTHERWISE HE SHOULD HAVE USED 'I AM' AND NOT "YOU ARE"- THE FIRST PERSON SINGULAR MASCULINE IF HE WAS REFERRING TO HIMSELF.
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[That the apostles did not understand Jesus’ statement to signify that Peter was the rock-mass is evident from the fact that they later disputed about who seemed to be the greatest among them. (Mr 9:33-35; Lu 22:24-26)]
THIS IS A VERY CHEAP SHOT. POWER-STRUGGLE IS COMMON IN MANY GROUPS AND IN MANY ORGANIZATIONS OR INSTITUTIONS DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE LEADERSHIP IS CLEAR. THAT IS WHY SENATORS ARE CHALLENGING THE DECISIONS OF THE PRESIDENT FROM TIME TO TIME. IN ALL FREE SOCIETY THERE IS ALWAYS AN OPPOSITION DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF SYSTEMATIZED OR ORGANIZED LEADERSHIP.
THE ROOT OF COMPETITION SUCH AS THE STRUGGLE TO BE THE ONE BEING THE 'GREATEST' IS ROOTED IN ONE'S SELFISHNESS AND PRIDE NOT ON THE FAILURE OF THE APOSTLES TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE LORD'S STATEMENT. BECAUSE IN ACTS 1 RIGHT AFTER THE LORD JESUS ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN PETER IMMEDIATELY ASSUMED FULL CONTROL OF THE CHURCH AND THE APOSTLES DIDN'T QUESTION HIS LEADERSHIP:
* He decided to replace Judas even though there is no command from Jesus to do so. [Acts 1:21-22].
* He represented the entire Apostolic College when he delivered the First Sermon on Pentecost Day. [Acts 2:14-36]
* He faced the Sanhedrin on behalf of all Apostles. [Acts 4:8-12/ Acts 5:29-32]
* He decides even over life and death of the members of the Church. [Acts 5:7-11] No one accused Peter of murder for these two souls.
* Acts 5:7-11 also shows that the Administration of the Church's properties and income were headed by Peter. If he was not the one managing it as head, he would not be the one to deal with Ananias and Saphira.
* He was the most powerful among the Apostles when it comes to miracles. His very shadow was enough to cure peoples sicknesses. Just by passing by he can cure through the power of Christ. [Acts 5:15-16]
NO APOSTLE CAN EQUAL THE AUTHORITY AND POWER OF ST. PETER IN THE EARLY CHURCH. NO ONE. NOT EVEN ST. PAUL. IN ACTS 15 PAUL WAS NOT OBEYED BY THE JUDAIZERS CONCERNING THE NON-NECESSITY OF CIRCUMCISION. ONLY WHEN THE ISSUE WAS BROUGHT TO THE APOSTLES IT WAS DEFINITELY SETTLED. IT WAS PETER WHO SETTLED IT. ST. JAMES SIMPLY FOLLOWED THE DECISION OF ST. PETER. IF PETER OPPOSED PAUL, ALL OTHERS WILL OBEY PETER MORE THAN PAUL. JAMES WOULD NOT DARE OPPOSED PETER. HE WAS SILENT FROM THE TIME OF JESUS UNTIL THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES EXCEPT ACTS 15.
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[There would have been no basis for such disputing had Peter been given the primacy as the rock-mass on which the congregation was to be built.]
THAT IS NOT TRUE. IN EVERY FREE AND OPEN ORGANIZATIONS CONFLICTS ARE COMMON. BESIDES IT HAPPENED WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS NOT DESCENDED YET. THE FORMATION OF THE APOSTLES WERE NOT COMPLETE YET. THEY WERE STILL IMMATURE AND IGNORANT AND NARROW-MINDED THAT TIME. BUT AFTER THE ASCENSION THE AUTHORITY OF PETER WAS UNQUESTIONABLE AND UNCHALLENGED. THAT AUTHORITY BECAME MORE PRONOUNCED AFTER THE DESCENT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. IT WAS PETER WHO WAS MOVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL APOSTLES THEN.
[The Scriptures clearly show that as foundation stones, all the apostles are equal.]
NO, NO, NO. BECAUSE NOT ALL APOSTLES WERE HANDED OR ENTRUSTED WITH THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AS JESUS DID TO PETER IN MT. 16:18-19 AND NOT ALL HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE COMMAND TO FEED THE LAMBS [JOHN 21:15-17]. THE COMMAND 'FEED MY SHEEP' IS GIVEN TO PETER THREE TIMES BUT NEVER DID JESUS GIVE THAT AUTHORITY TO OTHERS. THE REST OF THE APOSTLES BELONG TO THE SHEEP THAT PETER MUST BE TAKEN CARED OF.
[All of them, including Peter, rest upon Christ Jesus as the foundation cornerstone.]
WE DO NOT TEACH THAT THE APOSTLES INCLUDING PETER ARE NOT RESTING UPON JESUS AS THE FOUNDATION CORNERSTONE.
WE ARE NOT TEACHING THAT PETER IS THE CORNERSTONE. WE ARE TEACHING THAT PETER IS THE ROCK ON WHOM JESUS BUILT THE CHURCH. OF COURSE, BEING THE BUILDER JESUS IS HIGHER AND GREATER THAN PETER. ST. PETER IS A MERE SERVANT OF JESUS BUT HIGHER IN RANK THAN THE OTHER APOSTLES.
AND WE REJECT YOUR STUPID CLAIM THAT JESUS IS THE PETRA IN MT. 16.
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[(Eph 2:19-22; Re 21:2, 9-14) Peter himself identified the rock-mass (pe´tra) on which the congregation is built as being Christ Jesus.]
YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN LYING HERE. BECAUSE THE GREEK TEXT DIDN'T SAY THAT JESUS IS THE PETRA BUT THE WORD USED FOR JESUS IS "AKROGONIAIOS":
G204 ἀκρογωνιαῖος akrogōniaios (ak-rog-o-nee-ah'-yos)From G206 and G1137; belonging to the extreme corner: - chief corner.
THE REAL MEANING IS THAT JESUS IS THE CHIEF CORNER. THE WORD PETRA IS NOT EVEN USED BY ST. PAUL. NIETHER PETRA NOR PETROS NOR LITHOS IS USED IN THESE VERSES. LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
[(1Pe 2:4-8) Similarly, the apostle Paul wrote: “For they [the Israelites] used to drink from the spiritual rock-mass that followed them, and that rock-mass meant the Christ.”]
HELLO. THE FIRST EPISTLE OF PETER IS WRITTEN BY ST. PETER AND NOT BY ST. PAUL. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE GOING OUT OF YOUR MIND.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT TEACH THAT THE SPIRITUAL ROCK FROM WHICH THE HEBREWS DRUNK IN THE WILDERNESS WAS ST. PETER. HA, HA, HA... SO IF YOU THINK THAT WE DO THEN YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. HA, HA, HA...
NOW CONCERNING 1 PETER 2:4-8. THE STONES REFERRED TO BY ST. PETER THERE ARE THE PEOPLE AND HE USED THE WORD LITHOS BOTH FOR THE CHURCH MEMBERS AND THE LORD JESUS AS THE CORNER STONE. BUT, HE USED THE WORD PETRA IN 'ROCK OF OFFENCE'. ACTUALLY THE WORD IS "PETRA SKANDALOU". JESUS IS THE ROCK OF OFFENCE BUT THE ROCK ON WHOM THE LORD BUILT THE CHURCH IS NOT ON THE ROCK OF SCANDAL OR THE ROCK OF OFFENCE BUT ON PETROS, ON SIMON BAR JONAH.HOW COME THE WORD 'PETRA' IS RETAINED EVEN THOUGH THE ROCK OF OFFENCE IS JESUS? BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED. THE TITLE OF JESUS ATTACHED TO HIS NAME IS NOT PETRA BUT CHRISTOS. SO JESUS IN GREEK IS "IESOUS CHRISTOS"... BUT IF THE TERM PETRA MUST BE ADDED AS A TITLE TO HIS NAME IT MUST BE 'IESOUS PETROS' NOT 'IESOUS PETRA'. HA, HA, HA... "PETRA SKANDALOU' IS RETAINED BECAUSE EVEN IF JESUS IS THE ROCK OF OFFENCE IT IS NOT APPLIED TO HIS VERY NAME. BUT ON MT. 16:18 THE CASE IS DIFFERENT. JESUS GAVE PETER A NEW NAME "ROCK" SO HE RENDERED IT SYMON PETROS, NOT SYMON PETRA. HA, HA, HA...
[(1Co 10:4) On at least two occasions and in two different locations the Israelites received a miraculous provision of water from a rock-mass. (Ex 17:5-7; Nu 20:1-11)]
WE ARE NOT TEACHING THAT SIMON PETROS IS THE ROCK THAT GAVE WATER TO THE HEBREWS. THAT IS STUPID. SIMON PETROS WAS NOT YET BORN THEN. YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. HA, HA, HA...
BESIDES, WHY ARE YOU USING THAT PASSAGE. JESUS DIDN'T SAY IN MT. 16 THAT "YOU ARE PETROS BUT I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH ON THE PETRA THAT GIVES WATER." IS THERE SUCH A STATEMENT? NONE. SO YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. HA, HA, HA...
[Therefore, the rock-mass as a source of water, in effect, followed them.]
WE DIDN'T SAY THAT THE ROCK DIDN'T FOLLOW THEM. WHERE DID WE TEACH THAT? HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE GETTING DELUSIONAL.
[The rock-mass itself was evidently a pictorial, or symbolic, type of Christ Jesus, who said to the Jews: “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.”—Joh 7:37.]
HA, HA, HA... I AM GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU BORROWED CATHOLIC THEOLOGY OF TYPOLOGY. INDEED, JESUS IS THE ROCK THAT GIVES THE WATER OF LIFE. THE FULFILLMENT OF THAT TYPOLOGY IS JOHN 7:37 BUT NOT MATTHEW 16:18-19 BECAUSE IN JOHN 7:37 JESUS USED A PRONOUN "ME". HE CLEARLY AND CATEGORICALLY POINTED TO HIMSELF:
John 7:37 "In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto ME, and drink."
IN MATTHEW 16:18-19 JESUS DIDN'T SAY "COME UNTO ME" BUT HE POINTED TO SIMON PETROS "YOU ARE PETROS"... 'I WILL GIVE YOU...":Matthew 16:18 " And I say also unto thee, That THOU ART Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Matthew 16:19 " And I will give unto THEE the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever THOU shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever THOU shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
THE PRONOUNS HERE ARE: "YOU ARE"... "YOU"... "YOU"... NOT "ME". HA, HA, HA... HA, HA, HA...IF YOU PREFER "THOU"... "THEE"!!! HA, HA, HA...
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