EXCHANGE WITH SSPX FOLLOWER, Part 4 On Williamson's Pro-Nazi Remark

Ven. John Paul the Great and Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta, the Saint of the Gutter.

HadrianvsIV said...

1). "LOVE OF THE NAZIS"

This a vile culumny, you'll have to substantiate this. Saying "he denies the holocaust" isn't enough, it's a non sequitur, holding an opinion on a matter of history does not make His Lordship a lover of Nazism or Nazis.

What's more, his opinions are of a historical matter, not a matter of Faith, therefore his opinions are in no way heretical or stop him from being a Catholic in good standing.

2). The excommunications (whether one believes they were valid or not) were lifted by the Holy See in January 2009, therefore, by all accounts, His Lordship is a member of the Catholic Church, even if his ministry is not current viewed as licit.

3). How is the Catholic Dogma of 'Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus' connected with this?

4). You'll have to defend your statement that His Lordship's views on history, which he has always been honest about, make the SSPX hypocritical.

5). The comments in this comment box are extremely uncharitable, and most unchristian.

God bless.

September 26, 2010 4:32 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

1). "LOVE OF THE NAZIS"

[This a vile culumny, you'll have to substantiate this. Saying "he denies the holocaust" isn't enough,]

IT IS ENOUGH. HE IS NOT A CHILD. YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD CLAIMS TO BE A LORD. IF YOUR LORD IS USING HIS HEAD HE KNOWS THAT STATING SUCH A THING IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR HITLER AND THE NAZIS, AS WELL AS AN INSULT TO THE JEWS.

HE KNOWS THAT HIS STATEMENT HAS HISTORICAL, DIPLOMATIC AND POLITICAL REPERCUSSIONS. YET, HE STILL HAD THE GUTS TO SAY THOSE THINGS. WHY? BECAUSE HE BELIEVES IN WHAT HE HAD STATED. THAT STATEMENT IS NOT JUST AT THE SURFACE, THAT IS FROM DEEP WITHIN.

IF YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD USED HIS HEAD AND APPLIED PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN INTO SUCH ACT OF STUPIDITY THAT PUT THE ENTIRE CHURCH INTO SCANDAL AND INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS.

YOU SEE, YOU ARE ONLY GOOD IF YOUR LORDSHIPS ARE NOT ON THE SPOTLIGHT. THEY APPEAR TO BE HOLY. BUT PUT THEM INTO MEDIA SPOTLIGHT REGULARLY YOU WILL SEE WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.

[it's a non sequitur, holding an opinion on a matter of history does not make His Lordship a lover of Nazism or Nazis.]

IF HE IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE STATED THAT. THAT STATEMENT IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR NAZISM. TELL HIM TO SAY IT AGAIN, LET US SEE THE EFFECT. HE, HE, HE... THAT IS WHY HE WAS CONDEMNED INTERNATIONALLY.

[What's more, his opinions are of a historical matter, not a matter of Faith, therefore his opinions are in no way heretical or stop him from being a Catholic in good standing.]

HE IS NOT IN GOOD STANDING IN CHURCH BECAUSE HE BELONGS TO A GROUP NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. NO CATHOLIC WILL CONSIDER THAT 'IN GOOD STANDING'. HE IS STANDING ON THE SAND AND NOT ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER [cf. MATTHEW 7:24-27]. BEING OUT OF COMMUNION WITH PETER FOR THE TRUE CATHOLICS IS 'VERY, VERY BAD'.

[2). The excommunications (whether one believes they were valid or not)]

OF COURSE THEY WERE VALID. THE POPE HIMSELF SAYS SO. POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT NO LESS. THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY ON EARTH ON MATTERS OF EXCOMMUNICATIONS IS THE POPE NOT YOUR OPINION OR OPINIONS OF OTHERS, SPECIALLY OF THE FEW LIKE THE SSPX.

[were lifted by the Holy See in January 2009,]

IT WAS LIFTED BECAUSE POPE BENEDICT XVI WAS PETITIONED TO REMOVED IT AND THE POPE DID IT AS A GESTURE OF CHARITY. HOWEVER, IT SEEMS THAT YOUR LORDSHIPS ARE NOT SO KEEN TO RETURN TO THE FOLD SO ITS USELESS. WHAT IS OUT IS OUT BY FACT AND BY LAW, THE SSPX IS OUT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH REGARDLESS OF THE NAME CATHOLIC THEY ARE ATTACHING TO THEMSELVES.

THEY IS A GOOD REASON THEY ARE USING THE TERM CATHOLIC TO ATTRACT MORE FOLLOWERS NOT TO BE UNITED WITH PETER.

[therefore, by all accounts, His Lordship is a member of the Catholic Church, even if his ministry is not current viewed as licit.]

HA, HA, HA... ILLICIT MEANS HE IS ILLEGAL. HIS ACTIONS, HIS MINISTRY AND HIS LITURGY ARE ILLEGAL. WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTS OF DISOBEDIENCE... THE SIN OF LUCIFER AND OF ADAM AND EVE.

[3). How is the Catholic Dogma of 'Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus' connected with this?]

IN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD.

[4). You'll have to defend your statement that His Lordship's views on history, which he has always been honest about, make the SSPX hypocritical.]

I DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT. IT IS YOUR LORD WHO HAS TO DEFEND HIS ABOMINABLE STATEMENTS AGAINST HUMANITY.

HONEST? YOUR LORD HONEST? THEN, WHY DID HE APOLOGIZED AND CLARIFIED HIS STATEMENT? WHY DID FELLAY ISSUED CLARIFICATION AND ORDERED HIM TO SHUT UP? BECAUSE THEY KNEW, HE KNEW THAT HE STATED SOMETHING VERY WRONG AND WITH TERRIBLE REPERCUSSIONS. THE BULK OF THE BLAME FELL ON POPE BENEDICT XVI BECAUSE HE REMOVED THE EXCOMMUNICATION ON SUCH A DESPICABLE LORD... DARK LORD.

[5). The comments in this comment box are extremely uncharitable, and most unchristian.]

WE LEARN OUR LESSONS. FOR MANY YEARS THE SSPX MADE A TURKEY SHOOT ON POPE PAUL VI AND ARCH. BUGNINI DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE LATE HOLY FATHER AND THE LATE MONSIGNOR MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI. NOW IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO ANSWER YOUR ATTACKS MEASURE FOR MEASURE.

WE WANT TO EXPRESS TO THE WORLD THAT WE DO NO LONGER TOLERATE YOUR VENOMOUS ATTACKS AND THAT WE SHALL RETURN THE FAVOR. WE ABHOR YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND WILL DEFEND THE HOLY FATHER WITH ALL OUR MIGHT.

[God bless.]

THANK YOU BUT WE DON'T NEED ILLICIT BLESSINGS.

September 26, 2010 9:10 PM