Sunday, September 26, 2010

EXCHANGE WITH SSPX FOLLOWER, Part 5 On Ecclesia Dei and Bro. Ednard''s Response

Ednard Kim said...






[This a vile culumny, you'll have to substantiate this. Saying "he denies the holocaust" isn't enough, it's a non sequitur, holding an opinion on a matter of history does not make His Lordship a lover of Nazism or Nazis.]




O yeah?? Nazism hates the Jews and they are anti Jew and what does your holocaust-denier lordship bishop said about the Jews? Here is what he said:




Williamson has denied that he is promoting hatred, asserting that "I was attacking the enemies of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that includes Jews as well as Communists and Freemasons"



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Williamson_%28bishop%29 taken from "The Holocaust: Zeal and ignorance". The Windsor Star.. April 20, 1989. pp. A.10.




See? He hates jews as well ass communist and masons. Has this bishop forgotten the dictum "Love the sinner, hate the sin?" I doubt if he really understand what Jesus said: "Love your enemies".




Hitler hated Jews, your bishop hates Jew that is their common factor. And you know who were the people who met him in LONDON from ARGENTINA? Michele Renouf, a former model known for her antisemitic views. Have he forgot that Jesus IS A JEW?? Tell him that the Jews are not the only reason why Jesus died, HE DIED ALSO BECAUSE OF HIM, BECAUSE OF YOU AND BECAUSE ME. ALL OF US HUMANS ARE THE REASON WHY JESUS DIED.




[What's more, his opinions are of a historical matter, not a matter of Faith, therefore his opinions are in no way heretical or stop him from being a Catholic in good standing.]




But now what? Thanks to his opinion Benedict XVI was severely criticize to the point he was hurt because of the removal of excommunication. His opinion may not be talking theological matters but definitely he should have history lessons and tell him he should go to Auschwitz like John Paul II and Benedict XVI did. My gosh, by denying the horrors of gas chambers it is also like he denies that SAINT MAXIMILIAN KOLBE DIED IN THOSE GAS CHAMBERS....




2). The excommunications (whether one believes they were valid or not) were lifted by the Holy See in January 2009, therefore, by all accounts, His Lordship is a member of the Catholic Church, even if his ministry is not current viewed as licit.




THEY WERE VALID... They were declared Excommunicated by Cardinal Gantin: HERE IS THE TEXT AS FOLLOWS:





"Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop-Bishop Emeritus of Tulle, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning of 17 June last and the repeated appeals to desist from his intention, has performed a schismatic act by the episcopal consecration of four priests, without pontifical mandate and contrary to the will of the Supreme Pontiff, and has therefore incurred the penalty envisaged by Canon 1364, paragraph 1, and canon 1382 of the Code of Canon Law.




Having taken account of all the juridical effects, I declare that the above-mentioned Archbishop Lefebvre, and Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta have incurred ipso facto excommunication latae sententiae reserved to the Apostolic See.



Moreover, I declare that Monsignor Antonio de Castro Mayer, Bishop emeritus of Campos, since he took part directly in the liturgical celebration as co-consecrator and adhered publicly to the schismatic act, has incurred excommunication latae sententiae as envisaged by canon 1364, paragraph 1."
Source:


http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/lefebvre.htm




And this excommunication was backed up John Paul II In "Ecclesia Dei"




3. In itself, this act was one of disobedience to the Roman Pontiff in a very grave matter and of supreme importance for the unity of the church, such as is the ordination of bishops whereby the apostolic succession is sacramentally perpetuated. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act. In performing such an act, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning sent to them by the Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops on 17 June last, Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have INCURRED THE GRAVE PENALTY OF EXCOMMUNICATION envisaged by ecclesiastical law.




source: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei_en.html


Formally speaking that bishop maybe no longer excommunicated but in his statement Pope Benedict XVI says that they have to accept the TEACHING AUTHORITY OF VATICAN II TO ACHIEVE FULL COMMUNION:




"I hope that this gesture of mine will be followed by an earnest commitment on their behalf to complete the necessary further steps to achieve full communion with the Church, thus witnessing true fidelity to, and true recognition of, the Magisterium and the authority of the Pope and the Second Vatican Council."




Source: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090128_en.html




UNLESS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT VATICAN II THEY ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT IN FORMAL SCHISM.




4). You'll have to defend your statement that His Lordship's views on history, which he has always been honest about, make the SSPX hypocritical.




The court has already pass judgment on him and he should pay that amount if he is a just man. Also if you red the article in wikipedia about him the general superior of SSPX, Bishop Fellay stated said that if Williamson again denied the Holocaust, he would be excluded from the Society. Oh my... I think it is Bishop Williamson who should defend himself because of his historical views. In fact fellay assersts the reality of the Horrors of Hitler:



"We evidently condemn every act of murder of the innocent. It is a crime that cries to heaven! Even more so when it is related to a people. We reject every accusation of Antisemitism. Completely and absolutely. We reject every form of approval of what happened under Hitler. This is something abominable."
Source:


http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/02/fellay-jews-are.html




5). The comments in this comment box are extremely uncharitable, and most unchristian.




SAY THAT TO YOUR HOLOCAUST-DENIER, JEW-HATER, BISHOP RICHARD WILLIAMSON... He's negating what Jesus Himself has taught about the rule of love... who's unchristian now?



Fr. Abe, CRS said...

Thank you very much Bro. Ednard.




AS YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE MISTAKES OF THIS LORD OF THE FLIES THEY ARE EASY TO DEFEND AND FIND EXCUSES. BUT WITH THE POPE THEY INVENT A LOT OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES JUST TO DESTROY HIM.




OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHERE THEIR LOYALTY IS.


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