Picture of Bishop Paul Patrick Chomnycky speaking in the Ukrainian Cathedral of the Holy Family in Exile, London. The bishop is wearing an orthodoxe style mitre and a white omophorion with red crosses.
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the problem of Vatican II is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal. (A) Alas, the Vatican II documents are indeed responsible for the "spirit" of Vatican II and its crazy aftermath. Their very ambiguity, recognized by E.M.J., let the craziness loose. (B) God is indeed with His Church, but He leaves His churchmen free to choose to do it great, but never fatal, damage (cf.Lk. XVIII, 8). (C) Thus the mass of Catholic bishops He let fall in the appalling Arian crisis of the fourth century. What happened once is happening again, only worse. (D) At an early stage in the post-Conciliar fight for Tradition, it may have been reasonable to appeal for Vatican II to be interpreted in the light of Tradition, but that stage is long past. The ambiguity's bitter fruits have long since proved that the subtly poisoned Conciliar documents cannot be salvaged.
Thus (E) the Council is not Traditional, and the Rome-SSPX clash is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal, so (F) there is good reason to fear contamination, because of Vatican II's false doctrine -- it is leading souls to Hell. (G) Nor is there a schismatic mentality amongst (non-sedevacantist) Traditionalists, even though (H) the Church is in the thick of the worst emergency of her entire history. (I) But just as in the Arian crisis the few bishops who kept the Faith proved that the Church had not absolutely failed, so today the SSPX belongs to the Church and is keeping the Faith, without remotely pretending to replace, or to be on its own, the Church.
when, in all Church history, were her assembled bishops deliberately ambiguos? the ambiguity of Vatican II. When did churchmen ever resort to ambiguity unless it was to pave the way for heresy ? In Our Lord's Church, yes is to be yes, and no is to be no (Mt.V, 37).
Kyrie eleison.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[the problem of Vatican II is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal.]
VATICAN II HAS NO PROBLEM. IT IS THE SSPX WHO HAS A PROBLEM. HA, HA, HA... DON'T THROW ON OTHERS YOUR OWN PROBLEMS. VATICAN II OPENED AND CLOSED PEACEFULLY WITH LEFEBVRE SILENT DURING THE DEBATES AND HE HYPOCRITICALLY SIGNED THE DOCUMENTS. IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO CAUSED THE PROBLEM NOT VATICAN II.
[(A) Alas, the Vatican II documents are indeed responsible for the "spirit" of Vatican II and its crazy aftermath.]
IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO DIED INSANE AND SENILE. THERE IS NOTHING CRAZY IN THE AFTERMATH OF VATICAN II. PEOPLE ARE HAPPY THAT THE MASSES ARE TRANSLATED INTO VERNACULAR. THOSE WHO OPPOSE LIKE THE EXCOMMUNICATED TRAITOR LEFEBVRE ARE NOT EVEN 0.01 PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[Their very ambiguity, recognized by E.M.J., let the craziness loose.]
IT IS LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX WHO ARE AMBIGUOUS. LOOK AT YOUR FOLLOWERS. YOU CANNOT EVEN AGREE ON A COMMON STAND. THERE ARE SEDEVACANTISTS, THERE ARE THOSE WHO ALLEGEDLY RECOGNIZE THE POPE AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO DOES NOT WANT TO BE REUNITED WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. HA, HA, HA...
YOU ARE AMBIGIOUS BECAUSE EVEN MICHAEL JACKSON OR MICHAEL JORDAN YOU ARE INVOKING. IT IS THE SSPX WHO LET LOOSE THE CRAZINESS.
LOOK AT YOU. WHY ARE YOU ANONYMOUS? BECAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD. YOU WANT TO HIDE YOUR IDENTITY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SURE THAT YOUR POSITION WILL BE UPHELD BY YOUR OWN KINDS.
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[(B) God is indeed with His Church, but He leaves His churchmen free to choose to do it great, but never fatal, damage (cf.Lk. XVIII, 8).]
HA, HA, HA... IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT YOU JUST POSTED A READY-MADE MATERIAL HERE.
INDEED GOD IS IN HIS CHURCH. LEFEBVRE DIED EXCOMMUNICATED BY THE CHURCH, THEN LEFEBVRE IS NOT WITH GOD AND HIS CHURCH. REMEMBER YOUR SSPX INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS [OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION] IS ABSOLUTE. SO LEFEBVRE BY SSPX STANDARD IS IN HELL.
THE VATICAN II DIDN'T GIVE FATAL DAMAGE TO THE CHURCH BUT RATHER IT MADE THE MASS MORE ACCESSIBLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE PEOPLE. THAT IS GREAT. ONLY THE EVIL MALICE OF YOUR KIND LOOK AT IT AS EVIL.
THE LORD JESUS, FORTUNATELY, DIDN'T SPEAK LATIN. WHY? BECAUSE HE IS NOT AS STUPID AS THE SSPX.
[(C) Thus the mass of Catholic bishops He let fall in the appalling Arian crisis of the fourth century.]
BUT THE LORD GOD PRESERVED THE SEE OF PETER FROM ARIAN HERESY. NEVER DID ARIANISM ENTERED THE DOOR OF THE SEE OF PETER AND IT WAS AN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL THAT DEFEATED THE ENEMY.
LEFEBVRE AND ARIUS HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. THEY ARE BOTH DISOBEDIENCE TO THE DEFINITIVE INTERPRETATION OF THE MAGISTERIUM, THEY ARE DISOBEDIENT TO THE SEE OF PETER AND THEY REJECTED EACH AN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. SO, ARIUS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE EXCOMMUNICATED LEFEBVRE AND ARIANISM IS SIMILAR TO SSPX.
[What happened once is happening again, only worse.]
THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR MIND AS YOU ARE BECOMING DELUSIONAL.
[(D) At an early stage in the post-Conciliar fight for Tradition, it may have been reasonable to appeal for Vatican II to be interpreted in the light of Tradition, but that stage is long past.]
HA, HA, HA... EXCUSE ME. YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR TRADITION YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR REBELLION. THE TRUE TRADITION IS DEFINITIVELY ENTRUSTED BY THE LORD TO ST. PETER AND HIS SUCCESSORS THE POPE. IT IS THEY WHO ARE THE BEARER OF THE KEYS NOT THAT INSANE AND CRAZY, SENILE LEFEBVRE.
HA, HA, HA... IF FOR YOU INTERPRETING VATICAN II IN LIGHT OF TRADITION IS LONG PAST THEN SO BE IT. WE DON'T NEED YOU IN THE CHURCH. WE DON'T NEED LITURGICAL BASTARDS AND TREACHEROUS PARASITES LIKE YOU... YOU SEE, HOW HYPOCRITE YOU ARE. BERNARD FELLAY SENT POPE BENEDICT XVI A FORMAL REQUEST TO REMOVE THE EXCOMMUNICATION FOR THE FOUR BISHOPS AND TO HAVE A DIALOGUE IN ORDER TO STUDY VATICAN II TOGETHER. THEN HERE YOU ARE, PONTIFICATING THAT IT IS LONG PAST. HA, HA, HA...
YOU YOURSELF IS OPPOSING THE OFFICIAL STAND OF THE SSPX. HA, HA, HA...
[The ambiguity's bitter fruits have long since proved that the subtly poisoned Conciliar documents cannot be salvaged.]
HA, HA, HA... IT IS THE SSPX THAT CANNOT BE SALVAGED BECAUSE IT IS INFESTED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAS REJECTED ROME'S AUTHORITY.
THE CONCILIAR DOCUMENTS CANNOT BE SALVAGED, YES. BECAUSE WE WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO SALVAGED IT. IT IS PROTECTED BY THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THEREFORE CANNOT BE VIOLATED BY SCHISMATICS LIKE YOU.
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[Thus (E) the Council is not Traditional,]
THE COUNCIL IS TRADITIONAL AND TRULY CATHOLIC. THE SSPX IS SCHISMATIC AND HERETICAL.
IT IS NEVER STATED IN TRADITION THAT THE TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS IS THE ONLY MASS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN TRADITION THAT LATIN IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE TO BE USED IN THE LITURGY.
[and the Rome-SSPX clash is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal,]
VERY GOOD. THAT DOCTRINE IS THE DOGMA OF THE SUPREMACY OF THE POPE AS THE SUPREME PONTIFF AND VICAR OF CHRIST.
THE SSPX SATANICALLY REJECTED THAT DOGMA OF VATICAN I... TAKE NOTE... VATICAN I WHICH IS PRE-VATICAN II IN FAVOR OF THE CRAZY AND SENILE LEFEBVRE. LIKE THE FALLEN ANGELS YOU FOLLOWED THE REBELLIOUS LUCIFER THAN THE FAITHFUL ANGEL.
THANKS BE TO GOD, CARDINAL OTTAVIANI AND CARDINAL SIRI ARE NOT IDIOTS. THEY DIDN'T JOIN YOUR REBELLION AGAINST POPE PAUL VI.
[so (F) there is good reason to fear contamination, because of Vatican II's false doctrine --]
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS VATICAN II's FALSE DOCTRINE BUT THERE IS ONLY SSPX's FALSE DOCTRINE THAT THE POPE IS NO LONGER NECESSARY BECAUSE THE TRUE REPOSITORY OF TRADITION IS NOW THE SSPX OR THE SOCIETY OF THE POPELESS.
[it is leading souls to Hell.]
SPEAKING OF HELL, I THINK IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO IS LANGUISHING IN HELL BECAUSE HE DIED UNREPENTANT FROM THE ABOMINABLE SIN FOR WHICH HE INCURRED IPSO FACTO EXCOMMUNICATION.
[(G) Nor is there a schismatic mentality amongst (non-sedevacantist) Traditionalists,]
HA, HA, HA... YEAH. IT IS LIKE A PROSTITUTE CLAIMING TO BE A VIRGIN OR LIKE A DEMON CLAIMING TO BE A FAITHFUL ANGEL. HA, HA, HA...
[even though (H) the Church is in the thick of the worst emergency of her entire history.]
HA, HA, HA... THE CHURCH IS NOT IN EMERGENCY. THE CHURCH IS LIVING NATURALLY IN A SINFUL WORLD. HER EMERGENCY IS EVANGELIZATION AND SALVATION BUT THE EMERGENCY OF YOUR KIND IS REBELLION.
[(I) But just as in the Arian crisis the few bishops who kept the Faith proved that the Church had not absolutely failed,]
HA, HA, HA... THOSE BISHOPS ARE THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. BECAUSE ST. ATHANASIUS AND HIS COMPANION BISHOPS REMAINED LOYAL TO THE BISHOP OF ROME AND THEY DIDN'T STUPIDLY FORMED A SOCIETY TO DISOBEY THE SEE OF PETER. HA, HA, HA...
[so today the SSPX belongs to the Church]
YOU BELONG TO THE DEVIL. THE ANTI-ARIAN BISHOPS DIDN'T FORM A SOCIETY SEPARATED AND DISOBEDIENT TO THE SEE OF PETER. HA, HA, HA... THE SSPX IS MORE IN COMMON WITH THE ARIANS. HA, HA, HA... BOTH ANTI-POPE AND ANTI-ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. HA, HA, HA... ARIUS AND LEFEBVRE ARE ENJOYING EACH OTHERS COMPANY NOW.
[and is keeping the Faith, without remotely pretending to replace, or to be on its own, the Church.]
HA, HA, HA... IT IS NOT KEEPING THE FAITH BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC FAITH IS NEVER WITHOUT PETER. A FAITH THAT IS SEPARATED FROM THE FAITH OF PETER AND HIS SUCCESSORS IS NOT CATHOLIC AND WILL NEVER BE CATHOLIC UNLESS IT UNITES WITH PETER.
ON THE CONTRARY, HAS PRESENTED ITSELF AS OVER AND ABOVE THE CHURCH.
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[when, in all Church history, were her assembled bishops deliberately ambiguos?]
NEVER DID THE CHURCH BECOME DELIBERATELY AMBIBUOUS. NEVER EVER.
[the ambiguity of Vatican II.]
THE VATICAN II IS THE CLEAREST COUNCIL IN THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH. ALL DEBATES ARE RECORDED AND TRANSCRIBED AND THE LANGUAGE USED IS VERY MUCH UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE PEOPLE. ONLY THE MALICE OF SSPX AND THEIR MALICIOUS MINDS DO THEY FIND AMBIGUITY.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH VATICAN II. WHAT IS WRONG IS IN THEIR MINDS.
[When did churchmen ever resort to ambiguity unless it was to pave the way for heresy ?]
WHEN LEFEBVRE FORMED THE SSPX. HE WAS AMBIGUOUS WHAT IS IS FAITH AND WHAT IS HIS STAND. HE WAS SILENT DURING THE COUNCIL, HE SIGNED THE PROMULGATED DOCUMENTS AND LATER REJECTED HIS OWN SIGNATURE. HE IS NOT ONLY AMBIGUOUS BUT HYPOCRITE.
THE SSPX IS THE ONE IN HERESY BECAUSE IT IS PROMOTING SCHISM AND DISOBEDIENCE TO THE POPE. IT VIOLATES VATICAN I.
[In Our Lord's Church, yes is to be yes, and no is to be no (Mt.V, 37).]
THAT IS WHY VATICAN II IS CLEAR ON ITS STAND. IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO IS SATANICALLY DOES NOT KNOW IF HE SAID YES TO VATICAN II OR HE REJECTED IT BY REFUSAL TO UPHELD HIS OWN SIGNATURE.
[Kyrie eleison.]
HA, HA, HA... SEE. KYRIE ELEISON IS NOT LATIN BUT GREEK. LATIN IS NOT THE ONLY LANGUAGE CAN BE USED IN LITURGY. AND THERE IS NO DOGMA THAT ONLY KYRIE ELEISON CAN BE RECITED IN A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN LATIN. HA, HA, HA...
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