The Annunciation by Federico Barroci c.1592-
we are not anti-catholic...we are anti-catholic docrines....its your docrines we refuted not the members...I'm an MCGI member.
with this I would like to comment with Mr. Abe's statement above quoted as:
"The Church being the Body of Christ is greater than Mary because Mary is a member of the Church. But she is the most Blessed of the members of the Church except the Lord Jesus its Head and Builder."
Bible said:
(Luk 11:27) And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
(Luk 11:28) But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Is not these people refered by Jesus are more blessed than Mary?
And these?
(Joh 20:27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
(Joh 20:28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
(Joh 20:29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Those who spent times with Lord jesus were blessed, but those who believed Him and have not seen Him yet are more blessed according to Him.
Thanks for posting.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[we are not anti-catholic...we are anti-catholic docrines....its your docrines we refuted not the members...I'm an MCGI member.]
HOW NICE OF YOU.
[with this I would like to comment with Mr. Abe's statement above quoted as:"The Church being the Body of Christ is greater than Mary because Mary is a member of the Church. But she is the most Blessed of the members of the Church except the Lord Jesus its Head and Builder."]
WELL, WHAT CAN YOU SAY TO THAT? YOU DIDN'T PRESENT A CLEAR REBUTTAL OF WHAT I HAVE STATED.
[Bible said:(Luk 11:27) And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
(Luk 11:28) But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Is not these people refered by Jesus are more blessed than Mary?]
HA, HA, HA... JESUS DIDN'T SAY THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE MORE BLESSED THAN MARY. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT MARY IS BLESSED BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT MENTIONED CATEGORICALLY, SPECIFICALLY AS BLESSED THE WAY IT DID TO MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS.
This is what the Angel Gabriel proclaimed:
Luke 1:28 "And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: BLESSED ART THOU among women."
FOR SURE, MARY IS MORE BLESSED THAN THE WOMEN PRESENT IN THE CROWD. AND THE ANGEL GABRIEL IS SUPPORTED ALL THE MORE BY ELIZABETH, THE MOTHER OF JOHN THE BAPTIZER:
Luke 1:42 "And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, BLESSED ART THOU among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb."
SO, MARY IS REPEATEDLY PROCLAIMED AS BLESSED, ONE BY A CREATURE FROM HEAVEN - A MESSENGER OF GOD NO LESS AND THE OTHER A JUST WOMAN IN JUDEA.
MUCH MORE, THE STATEMENT OF THE LORD IS NOT A REFUTATION OF MARY BUT RATHER A GREATER EXALTATION OF MARY BECAUSE MARY DIDN'T JUST CONCEIVED AND GAVE BIRTH AND BREAST-FED JESUS BUT SHE ALSO BELIEVED JESUS:
Luke 11:28 "But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."
AND THIS:
Luke 1:45 "And BLESSED IS SHE THAT BELIEVED: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord."
MARY 'BELIEVED' THE WORD OF GOD. SHE BELIEVED THE ANGEL OF THE LORD:
Luke 1:38 "And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her."
UNLIKE ZECHARIAH WHO WAS PUNISHED FOR HIS FAILURE TO BELIEVE THE MESSAGE OF GOD [cf. Luke 1:20], MARY WAS INSTEAD EXALTED BY THE BIBLE AND BY ELIZABETH BECAUSE SHE BELIEVED THE WORD OF GOD. SHE EVEN DECLARED HERSELF A 'MAID-SERVANT OF GOD'. IF MARY DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN PUNISHED AS WELL.
IF MARY DIDN'T BELIEVE THEN THOSE IN THE CROWD ARE GREATER THAN HER BUT SHE BELIEVED AND NURSED JESUS SO SHE IS GREAT AND HONORED NOT ONLY IN THE EYES OF MEN BUT ALSO IN THE CRITERIA OF GOD.
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[And these?
(Joh 20:27) Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
(Joh 20:28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
(Joh 20:29) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Those who spent times with Lord jesus were blessed, but those who believed Him and have not seen Him yet are more blessed according to Him.]
HA, HA, HA... I FIND YOUR USE OF THESE BIBLICAL PASSAGES FOOLISH AND PATHETIC.
FIRST, YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT ALL THE APOSTLES INCLUDING ST. PAUL OF TARSUS BELIEVED IN JESUS BECAUSE THEY SAW HIM EITHER IN PERSON OR IN APPARITION AS IN THE CASE OF PAUL IN DAMASCUS. BUT MARY, BELIEVED IN JESUS WITHOUT SEEING HIM IN PERSON OR IN APPARITION. TAKE NOTE, IT WAS NOT JESUS WHO APPEARED TO MARY BUT THE ANGEL. HA, HA, HA... THE PASSAGES TO PROVE THAT ARE ALREADY GIVEN ABOVE.
ELIZABETH EXALTED MARY FOR BELIEVING. THAT TIME JESUS WAS NOT YET BORN AND WAS NOT YET SEEN BY MARY. HA, HA, HA...
SECOND, MARY IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST BELIEVER. SHE IS EVEN AHEAD OF ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST IN BELIEVING.
THIRD, MARY IS THE MOST STEADFAST IN FAITH. HER FAITH IS GREATER EVEN THAN THE APOSTLES WHO WERE SOMETIMES LACKING IN FAITH, WEAK IN FAITH OR ABANDONING THE LORD. MARY WAS CONSTANT IN HER BELIEF EVEN ON THE FOOT OF THE CROSS.
SO, BETWEEN MAMA MARY AND MAMA ELI SORIANO YOUR BELOVED PREACHER IS A PIECE OF GARBAGE IN COMPARISON WITH MARY WHO IS WORD FOR WORD, CATEGORICALLY, DIRECTLY, SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN BY GOD AS SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE AND REFERRED TO AS BLESSED.
MARY HAS NO SCANDALS IN THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH BUT SHE GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF CONSTANT HOLINESS, HUMILITY AND FIDELITY. MAMA ELI IN CONTRAST IS IMPURE WITH HOMOSEXUAL RAPE CASE AND OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF IMMORALITIES THAT HE REFUSES TO CONFRONT DIRECTLY. HE PREFERS TO HIDE AS AN ACT OF COWARDICE.
[Thanks for posting.]
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