The magnificent statue of St. Peter in Rome.-
DOCTRINE -- WHY ? II
Doctrine, or teaching, is of the very essence of the Catholic Church. Souls must firstly be taught how to get to Heaven, or they will never get there. "Going, teach all nations" is among the very last instructions of Our Lord to his Apostles (Mt. XXVIII, 19). That is why Archbishop Lefebvre's heroic fight for Catholic Tradition (1970-1991) was first and foremost doctrinal.
That is also why, as quoted last week in EC 165, Bishop Fellay told Brian Mershon last May that doctrinal differences cannot be bracketed out in order to arrive at any practical agreement, however attractive, with Rome. Asked whether the rejection by the Society of St Pius X of a canonical or practical solution was not "a sign of obstinacy or ill will", the Bishop replied (his words are accessible on the website of the "Remnant") : "...It is very clear that whatever practical solution would happen without a sound doctrinal foundation would lead directly to disaster... We have all these previous examples in front of us - the Fraternity of St Peter, the Institute of Christ the King and all of the others are totally blocked on the level of doctrine because they first accepted the practical agreement."
The reason for Catholic doctrine being "blocked" by any practical agreement is common sense. Today's Romans are still absolutely attached to their Council (Vatican II). That Council is essentially a slide away from Catholic Tradition, the religion of God, down into a new religion of man. If then they make a major concession to Tradition, such as would be any regularization of the SSPX, they are bound to ask for some concession in return. Now they know that the SSPX clings to Catholic doctrine, for all the reasons given previously. So the least that they can require is that the doctrinal differences be passed over, for the moment.
But that is enough for the Romans' purposes ! As to "for the moment", once a practical re-union were to have been signed, the non-doctrinal euphoria of all the Traditional souls delighted to be no longer out in the cold (as they feel it) of Rome's disapproval, would make it quite difficult for the SSPX to back-track if - just by chance, of course - the "moment" were to turn into an indefinite length of time. The trap would have closed on the SSPX.
And as to the "passed over", to pass over doctrine, especially the radical doctrinal difference between the religion of God and the religion of man, is equivalent to passing over, or bracketing out, God Himself. But how can a servant of God possibly serve God by bracketing Him out, or passing Him over ? If one thinks about it, that is the first little step towards a great apostasy !
As Bishop Fellay points out, 40 years of experience confirm these principles - the battlefield of Catholic Tradition is littered with the corpses of organizations which started out nobly, but failed to grasp the importance of the doctrinal problem. ( pls. don't edit anything on my comments in the long run. hehehe)
Kyrie eleison.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[DOCTRINE -- WHY ? II]
WHY, O WHY?
[Doctrine, or teaching, is of the very essence of the Catholic Church.]
CORRECT. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE CHURCH PRESERVES HER TEACHING WITH DILIGENT CARE.
[Souls must firstly be taught how to get to Heaven, or they will never get there.]
DO YOU THINK THAT TEACHING CATHOLICS TO DISOBEY THE POPE THE WAY LEFEBVRE DID WILL BE GOOD FOR THEIR ENTRANCE INTO HEAVEN?
["Going, teach all nations" is among the very last instructions of Our Lord to his Apostles (Mt. XXVIII, 19).]
POPE PAUL VI, POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AND POPE BENEDICT XVI WENT OUT TO VARIOUS NATIONS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL. BUT LEFEBVRE DIDN'T TEACH THE GOSPEL HE TAUGHT ABOUT HOW TO OPPOSE THE POPE AND HOW TO DISOBEY HIM.
[That is why Archbishop Lefebvre's heroic fight for Catholic Tradition (1970-1991) was first and foremost doctrinal.]
HIS FIGHT AGAINST THE POPE IS NOT DOCTRINAL BUT CANONICAL REFUSAL TO OBEY THE VICAR OF CHRIST. DOCTRINALLY IT IS CALLED THE SIN OF JUDAS... TREACHERY AGAINST THE CHURCH. DON'T HIDE HIS DEMONIC ACTIONS WITHIN CATHOLIC TRADITION BECAUSE NEVER DID CATHOLIC TRADITION TEACH THAT ONE MUST SEPARATE ITSELF FROM THE SEE OF PETER.
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[That is also why, as quoted last week in EC 165, Bishop Fellay told Brian Mershon last May that doctrinal differences cannot be bracketed out in order to arrive at any practical agreement, however attractive, with Rome.]
HA, HA. HA... SO BE IT. DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE SALIVATING TO ACCEPT YOUR RETURN TO ROME? ROME IS ROME WITHOUT YOU. IF THERE IS ANY DESIRE ON OUR PART TO HAVE YOU BACK IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT WE DON'T NEED YOU.
IT IS YOU WHO NEED US. BECAUSE YOU PRETEND TO BE CATHOLICS IN ORDER TO DECEIVE MORE OF OUR FAITHFUL TO JOIN YOUR REBELLION AGAINST THE HOLY FATHER THE WAY SATAN DID TO THE FALLEN ANGELS.
IF OUR DIFFERENCES IS DOCTRINAL THEN THERE IS REALLY NO UNITY BETWEEN US. SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE PRE-VATICAN II DOGMA STATES THAT THE POPE IS THE SUPREME AUTHORITY ON MATTERS OF FAITH AND MORALS AND NOT FELLAY OR ANY OF YOUR ILLICIT BISHOPS.
OBVIOUSLY AS YOU HAVE SEPARATED FROM THE SEE OF PETER DOCTRINALLY THE POWER OF HELL HAS INFILTRATED YOUR SOCIETY AS WELL AS YOUR SOULS.
[Asked whether the rejection by the Society of St Pius X of a canonical or practical solution was not "a sign of obstinacy or ill will", the Bishop replied (his words are accessible on the website of the "Remnant") :]
OF COURSE, HE WILL RESPOND THAT WAY. EVEN IF YOU ASK SATAN IF HE COMMITTED SOMETHING CONTRARY TO THE CANON LAW HE WILL ANSWER THAT IT IS NOT OF ILL WILL. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS A VERY COMMON ALIBI THAT ONLY IDIOTS WILL BELIEVE. IT IS NOT FELLAY WHO IS THE DEFINITIVE AUTHORITY IN INTERPRETING THE CANONICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE LIFE OF THE CHURCH BUT THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS IN COMMUNION WITH HIM.
[ "...It is very clear that whatever practical solution would happen without a sound doctrinal foundation would lead directly to disaster...]
THE SSPX IS A DISASTER BECAUSE IT ABANDONED THE SOUND DOCTRINAL FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE OFFICE OF PETER AND THE PERSON OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST. THEY FOUNDED THEIR SOCIETY IN A MEGALOMANIAC FOOL LIKE LEFEBVRE NOT ON THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER. YOUR SOCIETY IS BUILT NOT ON SOLID ROCK BUT ON SAND.
[We have all these previous examples in front of us - the Fraternity of St Peter, the Institute of Christ the King and all of the others are totally blocked on the level of doctrine because they first accepted the practical agreement."]
ON THE CONTRARY THE SOCIETY OF ST. PETER AND THE INSTITUTE OF CHRIST THE KING ARE LIKE TREES PLANTED NEAR RUNNING WATERS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BECAUSE THEY ARE IN UNION WITH PETER. BUT THE SSPX IS DEAD AS DEAD. IT NEEDS TO DECEIVE PEOPLE THAT IT IS STILL CATHOLIC IN ORDER TO GAIN MORE MEMBERS.
BUT, YOU CANNOT DO OTHERWISE. AS THE DEVILS ARE FORCED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS YOUR PRIESTS ARE NECESSITATED TO MENTION THE POPE IN THE MASS BECAUSE A POPELESS SOCIETY IS DOOMED TO ETERNAL DAMNATION ESPECIALLY IF IT CLAIMS TO BE CATHOLIC.
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[The reason for Catholic doctrine being "blocked" by any practical agreement is common sense.]
LEFEBVRE IS SENSELESS. THE BEARER OF THE DEPOSIT OF THE FAITH AND ITS SUPREME GUARDIAN IS THE POPE. THE DIVINE PROTECTION FROM HERESY IS GIVEN TO THE POPE AND THE OFFICE OF PETER AND NOT ON THE SENILE LEFEBVRE.
[Today's Romans are still absolutely attached to their Council (Vatican II).]
OF COURSE, WE ARE ATTACHED TO OUR COUNCIL. VATICAN II IS OUR ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. IT IS NOT YOUR COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU ARE SCHISMATICS AND ENEMIES OF THE SEE OF PETER. AS SATAN FEELS THAT HE DOES NOT BELONG TO HEAVEN SO YOU FEEL THAT YOU DO NOT BELONG TO THE ROMAN CHURCH. HOW NICE. YOU ONLY PROVED BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT THAT YOU DO NOT BELONG TO THE ROMAN CHURCH.
[That Council is essentially a slide away from Catholic Tradition,]
O NO, NO, NO... THE SSPX IS THE ONE AGAINST CATHOLIC TRADITION. REBELLION AGAINST THE HOLY FATHER IS NOT CATHOLIC TRADITION. GIVE ME A SAINT WHO REBELLED AGAINST THE SEE OF PETER? ST. ATHANASIUS NEVER DID. PADRE PIO NEVER DID... SISTER LUCIA NEVER DID. ONLY LUTHER, ARIUS, NESTORIUS, JUDAS ISCARIOT AND LUCIFER COULD FIT THE BILL FOR YOUR DISOBEDIENCE.
[the religion of God, down into a new religion of man.]
YOURS IS A SOCIETY OF ANIMALS.
[If then they make a major concession to Tradition, such as would be any regularization of the SSPX, they are bound to ask for some concession in return.]
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CONCESSION. WE ARE ASKING FOR FULL RETURN TO COMMUNION WITH THE SEE OF PETER. IF YOU WILL REFUSE ITS FINE. YOU WILL JUST BE EXISTING LIKE THE ORTHODOX AND THE ANGLICANS.
[Now they know that the SSPX clings to Catholic doctrine, for all the reasons given previously.]
HA, HA, HA... WE KNOW NOW THAT SSPX IS AN ENEMY OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND AN EVIL TO BE OPPOSED.
[So the least that they can require is that the doctrinal differences be passed over, for the moment.]
O NO, NO, NO... WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO PASS OVER FOR THE MOMENT. WE WANT EITHER FULL ACCEPTANCE OF OUR FAITH OR GET AWAY FROM US. IF YOU THINK THAT WE WILL GIVE YOU CONCESSIONS YOU ARE MISTAKEN. YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT FOR US. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS COMPLETE ON HER OWN WITHOUT THE SSPX.
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[But that is enough for the Romans' purposes !]
HA, HA, HA... NOW I AM TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT YOU AND THE SSPX ARE POSSESSED BY THE SAME DEMONS AS LUTHER. THANK YOU FOR CALLING US ROMANS. BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY THE NAME BEING USED AGAINST US BY THE PROTESTANTS, THE ANGLICANS, THE EVANGELICALS OR BORN AGAIN IN THE U.S. AND THE HERETIC CULTS IN THE PHILIPPINES. HA, HA, HA...
WE ARE PROUD TO BE ROMANS. HOW ABOUT YOU? IF YOU ARE NOT ROMAN WHAT ARE YOU? FRENCH? SWISS? HA, HA, HA...
[As to "for the moment", once a practical re-union were to have been signed, the non-doctrinal euphoria of all the Traditional souls delighted to be no longer out in the cold (as they feel it) of Rome's disapproval, would make it quite difficult for the SSPX to back-track if - just by chance, of course - the "moment" were to turn into an indefinite length of time.]
SO, IF YOU FEEL THAT IT WILL BE DISADVANTAGEOUS FOR YOU BETTER FOR YOU NOT TO REUNITE WITH US. WE DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE A DOCTRINAL RAPE OR LITURGICAL VIOLENCE. STAY WHERE YOU ARE UNTIL ALL OF YOU DIE ONE BY ONE.
YOU MAY SURVIVE HISTORICALLY LIKE THE ANGLICANS, THE ORTHODOX AND THE NESTORIANS. BUT YOU WILL BE A LIVING DEAD. SPIRITUALLY DEAD FOR BEING SEPARATED FROM THE ROCK THAT IS PETER.
[The trap would have closed on the SSPX.]
WE ARE NOT TRAPPING ANYONE. ACTUALLY, IT IS YOUR SATANIC SOCIETY WHO HAS SET A TRAP ON US. YOU PRETEND TO BE EAGER TO JOIN BACK AND REQUESTED THAT THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS BE REMOVED YET YOU ONLY USED THAT TO PLAY AROUND WITH THE CHARITY OF OUR POPE. DON'T THROW UNTO US YOUR OWN BRAND OF TREACHERY.
[And as to the "passed over", to pass over doctrine, especially the radical doctrinal difference between the religion of God and the religion of man,]
THE ROMAN CHURCH IS FOUNDED BY GOD WHILE YOUR SOCIETY IS FOUNDED BY AN OLD MAN KNOWN FOR BEING A FOOL.
[is equivalent to passing over, or bracketing out, God Himself.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. DON'T INCLUDE GOD IN YOUR DELUSIONS. REBELLIONS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED BY GOD BUT WILL PUNISH IT ACCORDINGLY.
[But how can a servant of God possibly serve God by bracketing Him out, or passing Him over ?]
YOU ARE NOT SERVANTS OF GOD. YOU ARE FANATICAL SUPPORTERS OF AN EXCOMMUNICATED BASTARD.
[If one thinks about it, that is the first little step towards a great apostasy !]
YOU AND THE SSPX THAT YOU REPRESENT HAVE APOSTATIZED ALREADY. WHEN YOU REJECTED THE CHURCH OF ROME AND THE OFFICE OF PETER THEN YOU FELL INTO HERESY, APOSTASY AND SCHISM.
[As Bishop Fellay points out, 40 years of experience confirm these principles - the battlefield of Catholic Tradition is littered with the corpses of organizations which started out nobly, but failed to grasp the importance of the doctrinal problem.]
40 YEARS HAVE PASSED BUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS STILL THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE MISSIONARY OF CHARITY OF MOTHER TERESA ALONE IS EVEN GREATER THAN THE SSPX. WHILE YOUR SOCIETY IS A PIECE OF SHIT STILL. IT IS NOT EVEN ONE PERCENT OF THE CATHOLIC POPULACE. YOU'VE FAILED TO RALLY PEOPLE TO YOUR SIDE BECAUSE THE SENSUS FIDEI HAVE SMELLED YOUR TRUE COLORS - ENEMIES OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND TRAITORS TO TRADITION.
[( pls. don't edit anything on my comments in the long run. hehehe)]
OF COURSE. DO YOU THINK THAT I WILL BE AFRAID OF YOUR REASONING. I FIND IT HILARIOUS AND PATHETIC. HA, HA, HA...
THE MORE THE SSPX PEOPLE OPEN THEIR MOUTHS THE MORE THEY ARE CONDEMNING THEMSELVES. HA, HA, HA... THE MORE THEY ARE PROVIDING US WITH REASONS THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER CATHOLIC IN FAITH BUT LEFEBVRISTS!
[Kyrie eleison.]
THANK YOU FOR PRAYING IN GREEK. SEE, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT AS STUPID AS THE SSPX TO ADVOCATE 'LATIN ONLY'. HA, HA, HA...
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