His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI looks lovingly at the representative of the Universal Church gathered in St. Peter's Square.-
While the Rome-Society of St Pius X discussions are, by accounts from both sides, running into a doctrinal brick wall, together with a rumour from Rome spell danger for traditionalist Catholics. That danger is a political deal which would simply go round the side of the doctrinal blockage. Politics threaten to circumvent doctrine.
a few months ago a large proportion of Catholics attending SSPX Mass centres are hoping and waiting for some agreement to come out of the discussions. If - repeat, if -- this is true, it is very serious. Such Catholics may get full marks for wishing not to be cut off from what appears to be Rome, but they get low marks for not grasping that as long as the discussions remain doctrinal, there is no way in which the neo-modernist teaching of Vatican II can be reconciled with the Catholic doctrine of the true Church. Such Catholics may venerate and love Archbishop Lefebvre . They had best wake up if they are not in one way or another to fall into the arms of the neo-modernist Romans.especially to BASTARDS like you hehehe...
Agreement in front of doctrine means politics before religion, unity before truth, man before God. God before man means truth before unity, religion before politics and doctrine being more important than any non-doctrinal agreement. Only dreamers could not foresee the Rome-SSPX discussions running into a doctrinal brick wall. Only politicians can wish for any non-doctrinal agreement to come out of them.
Alas, to all appearances Benedict XVI sincerely believes in the Newchurch of Vatican II which is to unite in its bosom all men absolutely, regardless of whether they believe or not in the one true doctrine of the Faith. Therefore he sincerely wishes to gather in the SSPX as well - and he does not normally have too much longer to live ! So the blockage of doctrinal discussions should not unduly worry him. He must be looking to cut a political deal with the SSPX, in order to unite it with the rest of the Newchurch. It follows that he must ask of the SSPX neither too much, or it would refuse the deal, nor too little, because then the rest of the Newchurch would rise up in protest.
The rumour from Rome is precisely that he is thinking of a "Motu Proprio" which would accept the SSPX "back into the Church" once and for all, yet require from the SSPX no explicit acceptance of Vatican II or the New Mass, but only, for instance, the acceptance of John-Paul II's 1992 "Catechism of the Catholic Church", which is substantially modernist but in a quiet way. Thus the SSPX would not appear to its followers to be accepting the Council or the New Mass, yet it would be softly, softly, beginning to go along with the substance of neo-modernism.
Kyrie eleison.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[While the Rome-Society of St Pius X discussions are, by accounts from both sides, running into a doctrinal brick wall, together with a rumour from Rome spell danger for traditionalist Catholics.]
THE SSPX DIDN'T RUN INTO A BRICK WALL. IT SIMPLY BANGED ITS HEAD ON A ROCK CALLED 'PETROS'. LUCIFER AND LEFEBVRE COMBINED WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DESTROY THIS ROCK.
[That danger is a political deal which would simply go round the side of the doctrinal blockage. Politics threaten to circumvent doctrine.]
WE ARE NOT AFTER POLITICAL DEAL WITH ANYONE MUCH MORE WITH SSPX. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CONFRONTED AND FOUGHT WITH KINGS AND THE POWERS OF THIS WORLD AND IT NEVER CAPITULATE. NOT WITH THE PAGAN ROME OF NERO, NOT WITH NAPOLEON, NOT WITH ELIZABETH 1 OF ENGLAND, NOT WITH THE TSARS OF RUSSIA, NOT WITH THE SOVIETS AND ESPECIALLY NOT WITH THE SSPX BASTARDS. He, he, he...
[a few months ago a large proportion of Catholics attending SSPX Mass centres are hoping and waiting for some agreement to come out of the discussions.]
LARGE? I THINK YOU ARE BLIND SO THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS LARGE AND WHAT IS MEDIUM AND WHAT IS SMALL. HA, HA, HA... WHEN WE TALK OF LARGE FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES IT IS THE GATHERING OF MININUM 2 MILLION BAPTIZED CATHOLIC IN THE LUNETA GRANDSTAND IN A NOVUS ORDO MASS. NOT IN YOUR HYPOCRITICAL, BORING MASS FULL OF EXPENSIVE CLOTHES JUST TO COVER YOUR SCHISMS AND HERESIES. YOUR PRIESTS ARE LIKE DEMONS PRETENDING TO BE ANGELS OF LIGHT. HA, HA, HA...
[If - repeat, if -- this is true, it is very serious.]
HA, HA, HA... AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED MORE AND MORE OF SSPX PRIESTS AND FOLLOWERS ARE RETURNING TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AFTER SEEING THE HYPOCRISY INSIDE THE SSPX. THEY COULD FEEL THE EMPTINESS OF SUCH A POPELESS SOCIETY.
THEIR LARGEST MASS I THINK WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO GATHER AROUND 200 PEOPLE. HA, HA, HA... SOME OF THEM ARE SIMPLY DECEIVED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO A ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS. HA, HA, HA...
[Such Catholics may get full marks for wishing not to be cut off from what appears to be Rome, but they get low marks for not grasping that as long as the discussions remain doctrinal, there is no way in which the neo-modernist teaching of Vatican II can be reconciled with the Catholic doctrine of the true Church.]
THERE IS ONLY ONE ROME AND THAT ROME IS THE TRUE ROME. WHAT APPEARS TO BE ROMAN ARE THE ILLICIT PRIESTS OF THE SSPX WHO ARE FAKES AND LITURGICAL BASTARDS. SONS OF THE WACKY OLD FOOL NAMED LEFEBVRE.
[Such Catholics may venerate and love Archbishop Lefebvre .]
THE TOMB OF JOHN PAUL THE GREAT IS VISITED BY ABOUT 20,000 PEOPLE A DAY AND THOUSANDS ALSO VISIT THAT OF BLESSED JOHN XXIII BUT THE TOMB OF LEFEBVRE IS A GARBAGE IN COMPARISON. SURELY, THE CALL OF SANTO SUBITO IS UNIVERSAL FOR JOHN PAUL II AND SILENT FOR THE WACKY OLD FOOL, LEFEBVRE.
[They had best wake up if they are not in one way or another to fall into the arms of the neo-modernist Romans.especially to BASTARDS like you hehehe...]
HA, HA, HA... WE ARE AWAKE AND SINCE WE ARE AWAKE WE WILL NOT JOIN ANIMALS LIKE YOU. YOU CAN JOIN LEFEBVRE IN HELL WHEN YOU AND YOUR MEMBERS PASS AWAY BUT WE ARE NOT FOOLS TO JOIN IN YOUR MADNESS.
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[Agreement in front of doctrine means politics before religion,]
WELL IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN THE FACT THAT THE SSPX APOINTED A REPRESENTATIVE IN THE DIALOGUE WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A PROOF OF YOUR DOCTRINAL HYPOCRISY AND POLITICAL STRATEGY. IT IS ALSO VERY STRIKING THAT BERNARD FELLAY CALLS OUR POPE 'HOLY FATHER'. HA, HA, HA... BY YOUR STANDARD YOUR SSPX AND YOUR LEADERSHIP ARE COMMITTING POLITICAL MOCKERY OF YOUR OWN POSITION.
[unity before truth, man before God.]
NICE WORDS BUT THE DEPOSIT OF FAITH, THE BODY OF TRUTH HANDED ON BY CHRIST IS ENTRUSTED TO PETER AND NOT TO LEFEBVRE, YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL. THUS, WE PARAPHRASE THE WORDS OF ST. THOMAS MORE, "WE MAY BE LOYAL TO THE ARCHBISHOP BUT GOD FIRST!"
WE HAVE CHOSE THE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD OVER A WACKY OLD FOOL.
[God before man means truth before unity,]
THE TRUTH OF FAITH IS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND NOT IN THE SOCIETY OF THE POPELESS WHERE YOU BELONG. HE, HE, HE...
[religion before politics]
YOUR WILLIAMSON IS A STUPID POLITICIAN WHILE YOUR GALARRETA IS A SERPENTINE POLITICIAN. HA, HA, HA... IMAGINE, SPEAKING OF OIL AND WATER. HA, HA, HA...
[and doctrine being more important than any non-doctrinal agreement.]
WE DOT WISH TO HAVE ANY NON-DOCTRINAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU. WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOU BUT YOU CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT US. YOU ARE PARASITES WHO ARE SUCKING BLOOD FROM US WHILE ATTACKING YOUR OWN SOURCE OF LIVING.
[Only dreamers could not foresee the Rome-SSPX discussions running into a doctrinal brick wall.]
IT IS FORESEEN. HOWEVER, OUR POPES ARE VISIONARIES WHILE YOUR LEADERS ARE VENOMOUS POLITICIANS. ONE TIME THEY ATTACK AND ONE TIME THEY PLEAD MERCY. ONCE MERCY IS GIVEN THEN THEY ATTACK. HA, HA, HA... YOU EASILY LEARNED THE ART OF DIPLOMACY AND POLITICS.
[ Only politicians can wish for any non-doctrinal agreement to come out of them.]
THANK GOD WE DO NOT WISH ANYTHING FROM YOU.
[Alas, to all appearances Benedict XVI sincerely believes in the Newchurch of Vatican II]
THE CHURCH OF BENEDICT XVI IS NOT NEW BUT OLD. IN FACT, HE ADVOCATES THE THEOLOGY OF RETURN TO THE SOURCES SUCH AS THE PATRISTIC STUDIES. UNLIKE YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL WHOSE CONCEPT OF THE CHURCH IS ONLY FROM 16TH CENTURY.
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[which is to unite in its bosom all men absolutely, regardless of whether they believe or not in the one true doctrine of the Faith.]
HA, HA, HA... THIS IS THE MOST STUPID ARGUMENT I'VE EVER HEARD FROM AN SSPX. HA, HA, HA...
DEFINITELY THE POPE DO NOT ACCEPT ALL MEN INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITHOUT BELIEVING THE ONE TRUE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH. HA, HA, HA... THE MOSLEMS AND THE PROTESTANTS AND THE ANGLICANS BECOMING ROMAN CATHOLICS ARE BEING GIVEN THOROUGH CATICHESIS AND ARE BEING BAPTIZED INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THE SSPX IS USELESS AND STERILE IN BRINGING PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITH INTO THE CATHOLIC FOLD. LIKE LUCIFER... LEFEBVRE IS ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS REBELLION BUT NOT ON CONVERTING SOULS TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THOSE WHO ARE CONVERTING THROUGH APOLOGETIC WORKS THE CULT MEMBERS HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES AND IN THE UNITED STATES ARE THE CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS BELONGING TO THE VATICAN II FAITHFUL.
[Therefore he sincerely wishes to gather in the SSPX as well - and he does not normally have too much longer to live !]
HA, HA, HA... WHEN THE POPE DIES ANOTHER POPE WILL LIVE. AND THAT POPE WILL NOT BE IN NEED OF SSPX TO REALIZE HIS PASTORAL PLAN FOR THE CHURCH. THE SSPX IS ALREADY LIKE A ROTTEN CORPSE . MORE AND MORE CATHOLICS ARE COMING OUT IN THE OPEN TO DENOUNCE ITS EVIL AND HYPOCRISY.
[So the blockage of doctrinal discussions should not unduly worry him.]
THE POPE IS NOT WORRY OF ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE. MUCH MORE THE SSPX. HIS VIRTUE OF HOPE IS TOO STRONG THAT THE ENEMIES OF THE FAITH ARE BEING SURPRISED BY HIS STEADFAST SPIRIT. THE MORE HE GETS OLD THE MORE HIS WISDOM SHINES. UNLIKE LEFEBVFRE AND WILLIAMSON, THE MORE THEY GET OLD THE MORE THEY BECOME SENILE AND FOOLISH.
[He must be looking to cut a political deal with the SSPX, in order to unite it with the rest of the Newchurch.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE.
[It follows that he must ask of the SSPX neither too much, or it would refuse the deal, nor too little, because then the rest of the Newchurch would rise up in protest.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU HAVE FED UP YOURSELF WITH SO MUCH CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT YOUR OWN LIES HAVE SUNK DEEP WITHIN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. YOU ARE SO CONVINCED OF YOUR OWN INVENTED LIES. HA, HA, HA...
[The rumour from Rome is precisely that he is thinking of a "Motu Proprio" which would accept the SSPX "back into the Church" once and for all,]
HA, HA, HA... YOU KNOW THERE ARE ANOTHER TERM FOR YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES: RUMORS AND GOSSIPS. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS HOW CHEAP YOUR SSPX IS.
THERE IS FREEDOM OF DELUSION IN THE WORLD AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE UPHOLDING IT. HA, HA, HA...
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU STOP WAITING FOR THAT MOTU PROPRIO BUT INSTEAD WAIT FOR 'MULTO PROPRIO' OF WILLIAMSON. HA, HA, HA...
[yet require from the SSPX no explicit acceptance of Vatican II or the New Mass, but only, for instance, the acceptance of John-Paul II's 1992 "Catechism of the Catholic Church", which is substantially modernist but in a quiet way.]
WELL, IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT VATICAN II DON'T ACCEPT IT AT ALL. AND THE NEW MASS WILL BE BETTER LEFT AS IT IS FREE FROM THE PRESENCE OF LITURGICAL FOOLS LIKE THE SSPX WHO VIEWS EVERYTHING AS EVIL EXCEPT THOSE THEY ACCEPT.
I HAVE SEVERAL COPIES OF CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND YET NONE OF THEM EVER SPEAKS OR UTTER A SOUND. IT IS SURPRISING THAT YOU REFER TO IT AS MODERNIST IN A QUIET WAY. HA, HA, HA...
[Thus the SSPX would not appear to its followers to be accepting the Council or the New Mass, yet it would be softly, softly, beginning to go along with the substance of neo-modernism.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU CAN ALL WALLOW INTO THE OLD SYSTEM OF REBELLION STARTED BY LUCIFER... THE OLD... THE ANCIENT DRAGON WHO DECEIVED THE WORLD AND WHO DECEIVED YOUR FOUNDER LEFEBVRE WHO IN TURNED DECEIVED YOU.
[Kyrie eleison.]
KYRIE ELEISON. THE LITURGY IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY LATIN. ONLY FOOLS TEACHES 'LATIN ONLY'.
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