Sunday, September 26, 2010

EXCHANGE WITH SSPX FOLLOWER, Part 2 Reply of Ednard Kim la Rosa

Pope John Paul the Great and Josef Cardinal Ratzinger


Ednard Kim said...

[The problem is that some of documents in Vatican II say things that are contrary to previous teaching Magisterium.]




Hey was it not Lefebvre one of the signatories along with Castromayer who signed the Vatican II documents? Take a look at this link where it shows he signed the "decree on religious liberty":
http://sspx.agenda.tripod.com/id19.html



(Father Abe will you be so kind to post the article written on this link as well as the picture in your blog? Thank you very much.) [MY VIDEO DOWNLOADER WAS ERASED. I STILL HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER. ONCE I GET TO DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO THEN I CAN POST IT HERE.]




I know Lefebvre claims that what he thought he signed was a just an "attendance sheet" at the council, but looking at the document where he signed, there were no indications or words that says "ATTENDANCE". He may not like the "declaration of Religious liberty" but hey, the fact remains unchanged: HE SIGNED THE APPROVAL SHEET and his signature was included TO THOSE BISHOPS WHO APPROVE THE DOCUMENT. POOR LEFBVRE, HE IS SO OLD AND CONFUSE TO THE POINT HE CANNOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN ATTENDANCE SHEET AND APPROVAL SHEET.




Number 2, was it there an agreement of then Cardinal Ratzinger and Lefebvre for SSPX? See the full document on the link posted:




http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFLEFEB.HTM




let us take a look on the first five promises lefebvre made:




Signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre on May 5, 1988




I, Marcel Lefebvre, archbishop-bishop emeritus of Tulle, along with the members of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X, which I founded:




1. We promise always to be faithful to the Catholic Church and to the Roman Pontiff, its supreme pastor, the vicar of Christ, successor of blessed Peter in his primacy and head of the body of bishops.




2. We declare that we will accept the doctrine contained in No. 25 of the Second Vatican Council's dogmatic constitution, "Lumen Gentium" on the ecclesiastical magisterium and the adherence owed it.




3. Regarding certain points taught by the Second Vatican Council or concerning subsequent reforms of the liturgy and law which appear difficult to reconcile with tradition, we commit ourselves to a positive attitude of study and of communication with the Apostolic See, avoiding all polemics.



4. We declare moreover that we will recognize the validity of the sacrifice of the Mass and of the sacraments celebrated with the intention of doing what the Church does and according to the rites in the typical editions of the missal and rituals of the sacraments promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.




5. Last, we promise to respect the common discipline of the Church and the ecclesiastical laws, particularly those contained in the Code of Canon Law promulgated by Pope John Paul II, except for the special discipline conceded to the fraternity by particular law.




Pay attention on number 3... aren't the SSPX should study the Vatican II INSTEAD OF REJECTING IT when they found it DIFFICULT TO RECONCILE WITH TRADITION?




SAD THING IS LEFEBVRE BROKE THIS AGREEMENT AND I WILL NOT GO WITH A MAN WHO HAS NO WORD OF HONOR...



number 4- Listen to the Invitation pope Benedict XVI to the SSPX on his general Audience:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzailD3LuTs




here is the official text of his message:




The second: in the Homily pronounced on the occasion of the solemn inauguration of my Pontificate, I said that an "explicit" duty of the Pastor is the "call to unity", and commenting on the Gospel passage about the miraculous catch, I said: "although the fish were so many, the net was not torn". I then followed with these Gospel words: "Alas, beloved Lord, with sorrow we must now acknowledge that it has been torn!". I continued, "But no we must not be sad! Let us rejoice because of your promise, which does not disappoint, and let us do all we can to pursue the path towards the unity you have promised.... Do not allow your net to be torn, and help us to be servants of unity!" (Installation Mass, 24 April 2005).




Precisely in fulfillment of this service to unity, which qualifies my ministry as Successor to Peter in a specific way, I decided several days ago to grant the remission of the excommunication to which the four Bishops, ordained in 1988 by Archbishop Lefebvre without a Papal mandate, were subject. I fulfilled this act of paternal compassion because these Bishops repeatedly manifested their active suffering for the situation in which they had found themselves. I HOPE THAT THIS GESTURE OF MINE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY AN EARNEST COMMITMENT ON THEIR BEHALF TO COMPLETE THE NECESSARY FURTHER STEPS TO ACHIEVE FULL COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH, THUS WITNESSING TRUE FIDELITY TO, AND TRUE RECOGNITION OF, THE MAGESTERIUM AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL."




Source: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20090128_en.html




(Father Abe please post also this video in your blog as well as the text)... NOW TO ALL SSPX... HOW WILL YOU RESPOND TO THE CALL OF THE POPE IN ACCEPTING THE "TEACHING AUTHORITY OF THE SECOND VATICAN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL?"




REMEMBER-- SCHISM IS DEFINED AS "the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him" AND An Ecumenical Council is an "exercise of the supreme magesterium" by the body bishops in communion with the Successor of Peter


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